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Ilhan Omar says she's writing up articles of impeachment.

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DC police said they arrested 13 people

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So can you be arrested and not indicted until after January 20?

[ponchi101]

DC police said they arrested 13 people

An accomplishment. Truly an accomplishment.

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DC police said they arrested 13 people

WOW. A whole 13? There's video of one helping this woman down the steps of the capital.

[JazzNU]

Am I wrong to think impeaching him now would incite more violence and lead to Pence issuing him a pardon? I know it would cut off 2024 (if it passes), but could it also make him a martyr?

Think for sure you're correct about it inciting violence, but given the scene at the Capitol, not sure we're gonna have peace right now one way or another. And though I'm sure they'll give it the old college try, Pence can't pardon Trump out of impeachment. The US Constitution states that limitation of the Pardon Power very clearly, so any attempt is likely to fail very, very quickly in court.

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Am I wrong to think impeaching him now would incite more violence and lead to Pence issuing him a pardon? I know it would cut off 2024 (if it passes), but could it also make him a martyr?

Think for sure you're correct about it inciting violence, but given the scene at the Capitol, not sure we're gonna have peace right now one way or another. And though I'm sure they'll give it the old college try, Pence can't pardon Trump out of impeachment. The US Constitution states that limitation of the Pardon Power very clearly, so any attempt is likely to fail very, very quickly in court.

I meant he could issue him a blanket pardon for criminal acts while Trump is undergoing impeachment. Or he can't?

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Jake Tapper @jaketapper

THIS MORNING at the rally Giuliani called for "trial by combat."

Don Jr. told Congressmen who weren't going to vote to overturn the election: "We're coming for you."

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So there's supposed to be a curfew going into effect at 6p Eastern?
Has anyone seen evidence of the National Guard?

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I meant he could issue him a blanket pardon for criminal acts while Trump is undergoing impeachment. Or he can't?

Yes, he can probably do that for OTHER criminal acts, like tax evasion or campaign violations, etc. But a pardon can't involve impeachment, it also can't prevent it or undo it. If he's impeached, that's it. Pence can't help him come back from that one.

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Jake Tapper @jaketapper

THIS MORNING at the rally Giuliani called for "trial by combat."

Don Jr. told Congressmen who weren't going to vote to overturn the election: "We're coming for you."

Eric was on Fox News last night fairly unhinged telling any Senator or Congressman that doesn't stand up for his father today, that they were getting "primaryed" and they would be done, career over.


I think Eric is becoming increasingly more unhinged and rivaling his brother because he knows his hand was caught in the cookie jar and he's going to prison real soon.

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Trump supporters storm U.S. Capitol, with one woman shot and tear gas fired


Security officers point weapons at the House chamber door, which has had its windows broken from the outside by pro-Trump rioters Wednesday during congressional certification of Joe Biden’s victory (Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)

By
Rebecca Tan,
Peter Jamison,
Rachel Chason,
Marissa J. Lang and
John Woodrow Cox
Jan. 6, 2021 at 5:13 p.m. EST

As President Trump told a sprawling crowd outside the White House that they should never accept defeat, hundreds of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol in what amounted to an attempted coup that they hoped would overturn the election he lost.

The chaotic, violent scene — much of it incited by the president’s incendiary language — was like none other in modern American history, bringing to a sudden halt the congressional certification of Joe Biden’s electoral victory.

With poles bearing blue Trump flags, the mob bashed through Capitol doors and windows, forcing their way past police officers unprepared for the onslaught. Lawmakers were evacuated shortly before an armed standoff at the House doors. At least one person, a woman, was shot and rushed to an ambulance outside the building. Cannisters of tear gas were fired across the rotunda’s white marble floor, and on the steps outside the building, rioters flew Confederate flags.

“USA! USA!” chanted the would-be saboteurs of a 244-year-old democracy.

The Senate halted its proceedings, and the House doors were closed. In a notification, U.S. Capitol Police said no entry or exit was permitted in the buildings as they struggled to regain control. “Stay away from exterior windows, doors. If outside, seek cover,” police warned.

All 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard were activated, and Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) imposed a citywide curfew. From 6 p.m. Wednesday to 6 a.m. Thursday, Bowser said no one other than essential personnel would be allowed outdoors in the city.


D.C. police stand between protestors and a counter protester as thousands of Trump supporters march in Washington, District of Columbia on January 6, 2020. (Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)

The mob had arrived hours earlier, charging past the metal barricades on the property’s outer edge. Hundreds, then thousands followed them. Some scaled the Capitol’s walls to reach the entrances; others climbed over one another.

On the building’s east side, police initially pushed the pro-Trump demonstrators back, but were soon overpowered and fell back to the foot of the main steps. Within a half hour, fights broke out again, and police retreated to the top of the steps as screaming Trump supporters surged closer. After the police perimeters were breached, the elated crowd began to sing the National Anthem.

For an hour, they banged on the doors, chanting “Let us in! Let us in!” Police inside fired pepper balls and smoke bombs into the crowd but failed to turn them away. After each volley, the rioters, who were mostly White men, would cluster around the doors again, yelling, arguing, pledging revolution.

Dozens soon broke inside, where they smashed windows and vandalized offices.

“MURDER THE MEDIA,” read a message written on one door.

“WE WILL NOT BACK DOWN,” read another left in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office.

Just before 3 p.m., a group of Trump supporters began running out of the southeast entrance.

“They shot a girl!” someone yelled.

A team of paramedics with a gurney soon arrived and a Capitol Police officer stepped aside to let them pass. “White female, shot in the shoulder,” the officer said as they hurried past. They emerged minutes later.

On the gurney was a woman in jeans, gazing vacantly to one side, her torso and face covered in blood. As the gurney was loaded into the back of the ambulance, pro-Trump protesters swarmed around it, screaming, “Murderers!”

Capitol Police officers with long guns pushed them back, and the ambulance drove off.

At 3:30 p.m., more law enforcement in riot gear arrived at the Capitol.

“Traitors,” Trump supporters shouted. “What’s your oath?”

Biden condemned what he called an “unprecedented assault” on American Democracy, “unlike anything we’ve seen in modern times.”

“This is not dissent. It’s disorder. It’s chaos,” he said. “It borders on sedition, and it must end now.”

For hours, the president made little effort to quell the violence he had instigated, finally sharing a video at 4:17 p.m. in which he told people to “go home” — while continuing to promote the lie that he had won the election.

For hours, Trump made little effort to quell the violence he had helped instigate, finally sharing a video at 4:17 p.m. in which he told people to “go home” — while continuing to promote the lie that he had won the election.

“We love you,” he told them. “You’re very special.”

Those who made it inside the Capitol took on a celebrity status when they came back out. A woman who said she had footage on her phone of Capitol police pointing guns at rioters was circled by dozens who wanted to see it. People traded what information they had about the woman who was shot inside. Some called her a “martyr.”

After she was taken away, the mood soured, though many remained joyous. “We’re making history,” one woman said as she strolled down Independence Avenue with friends.

Beneath streaming flags, including some that read “F--- Biden” and that depicted President Trump as the movie character Rambo, people loudly exhorted Jesus and chanted “USA.”

Many called friends and family and took videos.

“We weren’t violent before, but we are now,” a middle-aged White man said, talking into his cell phone. “There’s no going back.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr ... story.html

[ponchi101]

Jack Tapper was talking to one of his correspondents. He closes with: "I feel like I am talking to a correspondent in...in...in... Bogota".
No dude. That crap has never happened here.
(When the FARC took over the Palace of Justice, it was a war. No politician was involved).
Jerk.

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