Talk About Tennis 2.0

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:50 am Nope
Djokovic 45%
Berrettini 20%
Kyrgios 15%
Rafa 10%
Tsitsipas 5%
Field 5%

Hmm..ok but what has Tsitsi ever done on grass? His topspun shots will land in the middle of the court and sit up, inviting punishment..Berrettini maybe, but I guess I am not convinced he is capable of actually winning it...and no Alcaraz? His game would work well on grass, he is an excellent volleyer too...

ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:41 pm

Well... there goes my pick to win it

Fastbackss wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:45 am Deuce , amongst others, said we would see some late withdrawals. Curious who else does so.

I appreciate Bouchard's candor

A kind word for Bouchard. Not often seen around here.

Unbelievable performance by Kyrgios against Carreno Busta at Halle..maybe we should take him more seriously as a contender...

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:48 am Unbelievable performance by Kyrgios against Carreno Busta at Halle..maybe we should take him more seriously as a contender...

Maybe Nick should take himself more seriously...

And Osaka is out...

To a surprise of no one...

Anyway Naomi is a week grass player and it's very unlikely she would have reached the 2nd week here.

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:52 am Anyway Naomi is a week grass player and it's very unlikely she would have reached the 2nd week here.

Someone with that serve shouldn't be weak on grass. Hopefully she figures it out in the near future.

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:33 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:52 am Anyway Naomi is a week grass player and it's very unlikely she would have reached the 2nd week here.

Someone with that serve shouldn't be weak on grass. Hopefully she figures it out in the near future.

Agree, but the results argue that she is indeed weak on grass. I wonder if it's entirely technical reasons or some kind of weird psychological aversion as well.

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:37 pm

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:33 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:52 am Anyway Naomi is a week grass player and it's very unlikely she would have reached the 2nd week here.

Someone with that serve shouldn't be weak on grass. Hopefully she figures it out in the near future.

Agree, but the results argue that she is indeed weak on grass. I wonder if it's entirely technical reasons or some kind of weird psychological aversion as well.

No argument. Her results haven't been great. I think psychological, more in that realm. If Serena can dominate on grass, Naomi should be able to. I think their games are pretty similar. Serena probably volleys better, though. Naomi probably just doesn't have the belief and hasn't worked on it enough. I think she has even half-joked that grass scares her, something like that. It's Wim Fissette's job to lead Naomi to those greener pastures.

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:59 am

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:50 am Nope
Djokovic 45%
Berrettini 20%
Kyrgios 15%
Rafa 10%
Tsitsipas 5%
Field 5%

Hmm..ok but what has Tsitsi ever done on grass? His topspun shots will land in the middle of the court and sit up, inviting punishment..Berrettini maybe, but I guess I am not convinced he is capable of actually winning it...and no Alcaraz? His game would work well on grass, he is an excellent volleyer too...

Nothing. True. But if that is the logic, very few players have ever done something on grass. After I gave it a thought, I would include Hurkacz over him.
But Stefanos has a one hander (useful when they stretch you) and is very solid at the net.
Cilic might do well, but that will mean getting to the QF's. Anything over that is a total overachievement.

By the way most bookmakers are listing Gauff as the 2nd favorite. I think that's an exaggeration, but on the other hand is there a very strong case for anyone else?

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:37 pm

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:33 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:52 am Anyway Naomi is a week grass player and it's very unlikely she would have reached the 2nd week here.

Someone with that serve shouldn't be weak on grass. Hopefully she figures it out in the near future.

Agree, but the results argue that she is indeed weak on grass. I wonder if it's entirely technical reasons or some kind of weird psychological aversion as well.

I still say that grass is not about the big serve. It is about movement. And Naomi is a great mover ON HARD COURTS. She plants herself with a lot of power, and can change directions very quickly when she has traction. On grass, you have to be quick, but you have to be light. You try to do a hard court stop, and you will go down.
It was the reason somebody basically without a serve (Connors) was able to win it twice, and make three more finals. His feet were very light and he took an extra two steps to get to the ball, so after he hit, he was already stopped. Then he could change directions.
Plus, of course, at the time points were just 4 strokes at best.