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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:24 pm I know it is popular to speak ill of all politicians. But that is the reason you need career politicians, to avoid doing stupid things like this.
And people who are subject matter experts and have experience in a given field.

Also this comment from a WaPo reader:
Were they using Signal to avoid The Official Records Act? What other executive actions are being done without official archives?
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‘Chilling effect on free speech:’ Trump wants green card applicants already legally in the US to hand over social media profiles
USCIS said the vetting of social media accounts is necessary for “the enhanced identity verification, vetting and national security screening.” Critics say it crushes free speech

Rhian Lubin
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Sunday 23 March 2025 21:00 GMT

The Trump administration’s proposal to vet social media profiles of green card applicants already legally in the U.S. has been condemned in initial public feedback as an attack on free speech.

Visa applicants living abroad already have to share their social media handles with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, but the proposal under President Donald Trump would expand the policy to those already legally in the country who are applying for permanent residency or seeking asylum.

USCIS said the vetting of social media accounts is necessary for “the enhanced identity verification, vetting and national security screening.”

The agency also said it was necessary to comply with Trump’s executive order titled “Protecting the United States from Foreign Terrorists and Other National Security and Public Safety Threats.”

“In a review of information collected for admission and benefit decisions, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) identified the need to collect social media identifiers (‘handles’) and associated social media platform names from applicants to enable and help inform identity verification, national security and public safety screening, and vetting, and related inspections,” the agency announced on March 5.

The agency is collecting feedback from the public on the proposal until May 5, the majority of which are overwhelmingly opposed at the time of writing.

“So the US is heading for authoritarian now,” an anonymous commenter said. “Anything that the current administration doesn’t like means bad. Pure ideology means total destruction. This is a violation to the First Amendment.”

“Chilling Effect on Free Speech: The fear of government scrutiny of online expression will undoubtedly stifle free speech,” another comment read. “This is particularly concerning for individuals from countries with different political climates, who may fear the misinterpretation of their online activity.”

Out of the 143 comments, 29 mentioned a violation of free speech. “This policy undermines the fundamental values that make America a beacon of freedom, including free speech, privacy, and human rights,” another person wrote.

The proposal follows the detention of green card holder Mahmoud Khalil, labeled “pro-Hamas” by the Trump administration, and the deportation of Brown University doctor, Rasha Alawieh, a H1-B visa holder. U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials inspected the kidney medic’s phone and determined she followed the religious teachings of the Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. They also claimed she “openly admitted” attending his funeral while in Lebanon.

Civil rights groups have raised concerns that the policy proposal would disproportionately impact critics of Israel and the U.S. government’s handling of the conflict.

“This policy would disparately impact Muslim and Arab applicants seeking U.S. citizenship that have voiced support for Palestinian human rights,” Robert McCaw, director of government affairs at the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told The Intercept. “Collecting the social media identifiers of any potential green card applicants or citizens is the means to silencing their lawful speech.”

McCaw added that he also worried that people’s activity would be continuously monitored on social media even if they became U.S. citizens.

The new proposal comes as the Internal Revenue Service is close to an agreement with Immigration and Customs Enforcement to allow officials to use confidential tax data to confirm names and addresses of people they suspect are in the country illegally, according to the Washington Post.

ICE could submit names of suspected illegal immigrants to the IRS so the agency can cross-reference on confidential taxpayer databases, according to insiders. The agreement has “alarmed” career IRS officials who fear it risks abusing a privacy law intended to build criminal cases, “not enforce criminal penalties,” the newspaper reports.

As well as mass deportations, the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown has turned its attention to green card and visa holders in recent weeks.

Earlier this month Fabian Schmidt, a 34-year-old German electrical engineer, who has held a green card since 2008, was arrested and detained at Boston Logan International Airport.

And a Milwaukee mother who is a permanent U.S resident and lived here since she was eight-months old was deported to Laos, a country she’d never been to previously, after agreeing to a plea deal over cannabis charges.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 20180.html
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More on the Signal chat.
Goldberg wrote that it started on Tuesday, March 11, when he got a request to connect from someone identified as "Michael Waltz."

Mike Waltz is President Donald Trump's national security adviser.

Two days later, on March 13, Goldberg said the user identified as Waltz added him to a Signal group chat called "Houthi PC small group."

The user sent the following message to the group, according to Goldberg: "Team – establishing a principles [sic] group for coordination on Houthis, particularly for over the next 72 hours. My deputy Alex Wong is pulling together a tiger team at deputies/agency Chief of Staff level following up from the meeting in the [Situation Room] this morning for action items and will be sending that out later this evening."

A minute after "Michael Waltz" sent the message, a Signal user identified as "MAR" wrote, "Mike Needham for State." Trump's secretary of state is Marco Antonio Rubio.

Another user identifed as "JD Vance" chimed in with who would represent the "VP," and one minute later, someone with the initials "TG" wrote, "Joe Kent for [the Director of National Intelligence]."

Trump's DNI is former Hawaii Representative Tulsi Gabbard.

Shortly after, a Signal user identified as "Pete Hegseth" wrote that someone named Dan Caldwell would be in for "DoD," referring to the Pentagon.

Several other users on the chain also replied with the names of people who would represent the Treasury secretary, the National Security Council and the CIA in the discussions.

Goldberg wrote that he was deeply skeptical at first that the group chat was legitimate because he couldn't fathom that senior U.S. national security officials, Cabinet secretaries and the vice president would be so reckless as to accidentally include a journalist in the message chain.

The officials discussed specific plans being drawn up to bomb Houthi targets in Yemen over the next two days, debating the pros and cons of carrying out the strikes. The user identified as Vice President Vance, notably, deviated from Trump's position on the strikes and said he thought the administration was "making a mistake."

He said he wasn't sure Trump was "aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now," per The Atlantic.

The person identifying as Vance went on to say he was "willing to support the consensus of the team" and keep his concerns to himself, but added that he felt there was a "strong argument for delaying this a month, doing the messaging work on why this matters, seeing where the economy is, etc."

Hegseth disagreed, writing that delaying the bombing campaign would "not fundamentally change the calculus."

He went on to write that if the administration waited on launching the strikes, there was a risk that the plan could leak and that "we look indecisive."

"We are prepared to execute, and if I had final go or no go vote, I believe we should," Hegseth wrote, according to Goldberg. "This [is] not about the Houthis. I see it as two things: 1) Restoring Freedom of Navigation, a core national interest; and 2) Reestablish deterrence, which [former President Joe Biden] cratered. "But, we can easily pause. And if we do, I will do all we can to enforce 100% [operations security]."

Operations security, or OPSEC, refers to the process of concealing critical information about a person, plan or conversation in order to prevent the unauthorized disclosure of sensitive data.

On Friday, March 15, at 11:44 a.m. ET, the user identified as Hegseth sent a "team update" in which he disclosed what Goldberg described as "operational details of forthcoming strikes on Yemen, including information about targets, weapons the U.S. would be deploying, and attack sequencing."

They went on to say that the first explosions in Yemen would be heard two hours later, at 1:45 p.m. ET., according to Goldberg.

At 1:55 p.m. ET, Goldberg saw reports on social media that explosions were being heard in the capital city of Sanaa.

What People Are Saying

Brian Hughes, a spokesperson for the NSC, confirmed the veracity of the Signal group text to Goldberg: "This appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain. The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to troops or national security."

A spokesperson for Vance said the vice president is in lockstep with Trump, telling Goldberg: "The Vice President's first priority is always making sure that the President's advisers are adequately briefing him on the substance of their internal deliberations. Vice President Vance unequivocally supports this administration's foreign policy. The President and the Vice President have had subsequent conversations about this matter and are in complete agreement."

Leon Panetta, former CIA director and defense secretary under Obama, told CNN: "It's obviously a very serious mistake on the part of whoever included Goldberg in this highly classified chain-of-command messaging that went on that involved war plans. To have had somebody from The Atlantic on that chain, without question, was a serious mistake. And I hope the White House takes this seriously because the last thing you want to do when you're talking about war plans is to have a serious leak like this that could undermine the war plans but also jeopardize lives. So, I hope they take this seriously."

Panetta added that the Trump administration should conduct a "full investigation as to who included this name on that chain involving the highest officials in national security, ... how the name of a journalist was added to that list. This is just a serious blunder and not only could violate the espionage laws, but more importantly, could undermine our national security."

Trump responded to Goldberg's article on Monday afternoon, telling reporters: "I don't know anything about it. I'm not a big fan of The Atlantic. To me, it's a magazine that's going out of business. But I know nothing about it. You're saying that they had what?"

When a reporter elaborated on the details of Goldberg's reporting, Trump said: "Well, it couldn't have been very effective because the attack was very effective, I can tell you that. I don't know anything about it. You're telling me about it for the first time."

What Happens Next

Democrats and Republicans alike erupted over Goldberg's reporting, with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle called for an investigation into how the leak happened in the first place and steps the administration will take to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Leavitt suggested in her statement that there are no changes expected to the president's national security team.
Update 3/24/25 5:30 p.m. ET: This story has been updated with additional information.
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They're denying it. This issue is over for them. Next.
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Owendonovan wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:33 pm They're denying it. This issue is over for them. Next.
They're trying hard but it hasn't gone away yet...


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It turns out Jeffrey Goldberg wasn't the only authorized individual in the Signal group chat. Trump nominee Joe Kent, who has yet to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate, was also in the group as they discussed top secret war plans.

https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-admin ... nfirmation
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Meanwhile...

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Let's summarize what Dems did w/first of 2 hearings w/Ratcliffe & Tulsi.
1) Got both on record w/claims abt war plans (w/one Senate staffer may have known false)
2) Got half agreement for audit
3) Told Kash to report back today
4) Got Tulsi a) traveling during Signal chat b) w/poss personal phone

Also, Warner laid a beautiful trap for Tulsi forcing her to disagree with trump’s stance on fentanyl from Canada. He asked her if she meant to leave Canada off the country drugwar warning list. She said Mexico is the problem. He replied that trump disagreed with no data to support himself.

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He added Jeff to the chat. That’s how it happened.
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