Talk About Tennis 2.0

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:05 pm Yes..I believe you have to push her back, not let her come forward to attack ...Collins did that at the AO, Ostapenko did it, Krejcikova did more, came to the net and put away the volleys..Swiatek's shots curl up a bit too much, makes it possible to volley .and, of course, serve big!
Trouble is, even if you do all that,.she may still beat you,! Necessary but not sufficient condition...

thanks! Yeah, you have to execute it very well and also defend and return well, but glad to know the game plan. How did Cornet beat her? Low bounces on grass?

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:36 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:05 pm Yes..I believe you have to push her back, not let her come forward to attack ...Collins did that at the AO, Ostapenko did it, Krejcikova did more, came to the net and put away the volleys..Swiatek's shots curl up a bit too much, makes it possible to volley .and, of course, serve big!
Trouble is, even if you do all that,.she may still beat you,! Necessary but not sufficient condition...

thanks! Yeah, you have to execute it very well and also defend and return well, but glad to know the game plan. How did Cornet beat her? Low bounces on grass?

@Ashkor. I am not that high in her. She is damn good; that is clear. But she is not an unbeatable monster that will beat you regardless. Megan's list of players is long enough.
She has had a great year; that is perfectly clear too. But this is not Martina's 83, Steffi's 88 or Serena's 2015. Iga went dry on grass, and has been beaten. She is at the top, but her top is not the peaks we saw with, for example, the three players I just mentioned.
@Megan. Cornet beat her at W with an old recipe: junk, junk and more junk. She played a lovely, tricky match, and kept changing everything all the time. The kind of match that makes you wonder why Alize is not ranked higher.

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:46 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:11 pm Sabalenka always had what it takes to beat Swiatek, this time she put it together..hope she can do it again

What is it exactly that beats Swiatek? Relentless depth and power?

Swiatek's own answer during her presser emphasizes she thinks it's the power that beats her and she couldn't keep up with it.

WTA Finals Stadium Court

Starts at 05:30 PM

Final
CZE B. KREJCIKOVA/CZE K. SINIAKOVA (1) vs RUS V. KUDERMETOVA/BEL E. MERTENS (4)
NOT BEFORE 8:00 PM
Final
BLR A. SABALENKA (7) vs FRA C. GARCIA (6)

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:49 pm

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:36 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:05 pm Yes..I believe you have to push her back, not let her come forward to attack ...Collins did that at the AO, Ostapenko did it, Krejcikova did more, came to the net and put away the volleys..Swiatek's shots curl up a bit too much, makes it possible to volley .and, of course, serve big!
Trouble is, even if you do all that,.she may still beat you,! Necessary but not sufficient condition...

thanks! Yeah, you have to execute it very well and also defend and return well, but glad to know the game plan. How did Cornet beat her? Low bounces on grass?

@Ashkor. I am not that high in her. She is damn good; that is clear. But she is not an unbeatable monster that will beat you regardless. Megan's list of players is long enough.
She has had a great year; that is perfectly clear too. But this is not Martina's 83, Steffi's 88 or Serena's 2015. Iga went dry on grass, and has been beaten. She is at the top, but her top is not the peaks we saw with, for example, the three players I just mentioned.
@Megan. Cornet beat her at W with an old recipe: junk, junk and more junk. She played a lovely, tricky match, and kept changing everything all the time. The kind of match that makes you wonder why Alize is not ranked higher.

Yes, I agree Swiatek is not Serena or Stefanie...but she is by far the best player right now..
As for W, I think she was uncomfortable even in practice, she was uncertain, full of self-doubt .that won't happen again, probably

The #4 seeds Kudermetova/Mertens beat the #1 seeds Siniakova/Krejcikova in the Final.
Rather surprising to me. But - hey - good for them!

Siniakova/Krejcikova started very slowly, but picked it up and won the 2nd set. And you'd think they'd carry that momentum into that dumb 'match tiebreak' (instead of a proper 3rd set) - and they did, to a degree. They got out to a significant lead in the 'match tiebreak', but then blew the lead, losing 9-11.

JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:06 am

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Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:39 am The #4 seeds Kudermetova/Mertens beat the #1 seeds Siniakova/Krejcikova in the Final.
Rather surprising to me. But - hey - good for them!

Siniakova/Krejcikova started very slowly, but picked it up and won the 2nd set. And you'd think they'd carry that momentum into that dumb 'match tiebreak' (instead of a proper 3rd set) - and they did, to a degree. They got out to a significant lead in the 'match tiebreak', but then blew the lead, losing 9-11.

How big was their lead? I couldn't watch it. Not on TC Plus.

I'm still not over Mertens splitting with Hsieh Su-Wei and going back to Kudermatova, although I have no idea what the circumstances were. I just know we need Hsieh back.

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:18 am

Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:39 am The #4 seeds Kudermetova/Mertens beat the #1 seeds Siniakova/Krejcikova in the Final.
Rather surprising to me. But - hey - good for them!

Siniakova/Krejcikova started very slowly, but picked it up and won the 2nd set. And you'd think they'd carry that momentum into that dumb 'match tiebreak' (instead of a proper 3rd set) - and they did, to a degree. They got out to a significant lead in the 'match tiebreak', but then blew the lead, losing 9-11.

How big was their lead? I couldn't watch it. Not on TC Plus.

^ I think it was 7-2 or 7-3 in the 'match tiebreak'.
You should move to Canada - the entire tournament - singles and doubles - has been on TSN here.

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:18 am I'm still not over Mertens splitting with Hsieh Su-Wei and going back to Kudermatova, although I have no idea what the circumstances were. I just know we need Hsieh back.

Did Su-Wei have a baby? I read somewhere several months ago that she was pregnant - although I recall the source of the information being somewhat obscure. It would explain her disappearance from tennis, though.

I preferred watching her give people fits in singles. THAT was always quite enjoyable.

Of course, Mertens partnered with Sabalenka in doubles prior to joining up with Su-Wei. Mertens and Sabalenka were quite successful as a team.
Su-Wei's partner at that same time was Strycova - and they were quite successful, as well.
Sabalenka quit doubles at about the same time as Strycova retired - and so the obvious and logical thing was for Mertens and Su-Wei to partner up...

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:18 am

Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:39 am The #4 seeds Kudermetova/Mertens beat the #1 seeds Siniakova/Krejcikova in the Final.
Rather surprising to me. But - hey - good for them!

Siniakova/Krejcikova started very slowly, but picked it up and won the 2nd set. And you'd think they'd carry that momentum into that dumb 'match tiebreak' (instead of a proper 3rd set) - and they did, to a degree. They got out to a significant lead in the 'match tiebreak', but then blew the lead, losing 9-11.

How big was their lead? I couldn't watch it. Not on TC Plus.

I'm still not over Mertens splitting with Hsieh Su-Wei and going back to Kudermatova, although I have no idea what the circumstances were. I just know we need Hsieh back.

Agree.. Hsieh is a magician, there is nobody like her