Talk About Tennis 2.0

i see some people trolling Navarro for entering a 125K event, 'taking the bread out of the mouths of..' etc.. it is evident to me that Navarro knows she is in a tight race for the seventh spot in the YEC race, and is simply doing what any player would do, scrambling for points! These trolls dont understand how the tour works.

She’s been passed by Zheng in the live race rankings too, so is on the outside lookin in, assuming Rybakina plays.

In other race news, the same live rankings say Gauff and Paolini will punch their tickets to the finals with one more win in Wuhan.

JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:27 am She’s been passed by Zheng in the live race rankings too, so is on the outside lookin in, assuming Rybakina plays.

In other race news, the same live rankings say Gauff and Paolini will punch their tickets to the finals with one more win in Wuhan.

there never was much doubt about them qualifying..which is all that matters at this point

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:57 am i see some people trolling Navarro for entering a 125K event, 'taking the bread out of the mouths of..' etc.. it is evident to me that Navarro knows she is in a tight race for the seventh spot in the YEC race, and is simply doing what any player would do, scrambling for points! These trolls dont understand how the tour works.

On the one hand, you have the players that don't want to play. On the other, when they play, they are told they are taking money from others.
That is the point of having a high ranking. You get to play on your terms. You decide where, you decide when. I am clear on my position about the length of the season and players playing "too much". Nobody forces them to do so. Iga is the best example right now. She does not want to play these weeks? Just don't, then.
If Emma wants to play week in week out, it is her call.

point is, Emma needs those points to qualify, she is not playing just for the heck of it.

With Alcaraz losing and only two tournaments left on his schedule Sinner has officially clinched year end #1 ranking.

JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:27 am She’s been passed by Zheng in the live race rankings too, so is on the outside lookin in, assuming Rybakina plays.

In other race news, the same live rankings say Gauff and Paolini will punch their tickets to the finals with one more win in Wuhan.

One will and one won't. I'm so bad at this though.

There have been only 6 men who have held #1 ranking for every week of at least one calendar year: Connors, Lendl, Sampras, Hewitt, Federer and Djokovic. McEnroy and Nadal are notably absent from this list.

For women there have been 6 as well - Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Seles, Serena and Barty. Swiatek could join this list this year if Sabalenka falters and she comes back to play and does better at YEC. I don't think that will happen, though.

The rankings are solid.
But Aryna has two slams this year. Makes it for a better resume, this year.

Gauff, Paolini, Rybakina, Pegula have all secured their spot in the YEC.

Slam titles are equal, but in the rankings Sinner leads by crazy 4800 points. Was there ever that great a difference in the big three era?

Comparison of Alcaraz and Sinner seasons so far (Paris and YEC left for both).

Sinner

GS titles: 2
MS titles: 3
ATP titles: 7
ATP finals: 8
Record: 65-6

Alcaraz

GS titles: 2
MS titles: 1
ATP titles: 4
ATP finals: 4
Record: 51-10

Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:27 am Slam titles are equal, but in the rankings Sinner leads by crazy 4800 points. Was there ever that great a difference in the big three era?

I looked it up. By the end of RG '16, which was that time in which Novak won his four straight slams ('15 trough '16), the gap between him and Andy was at its widest ever:
ATP top 10 as of June 6, 2016:

1. Novak Djokovic (SRB) 16,950
2. Andy Murray (GBR) 8,915
3. Roger Federer (SUI) 6,655
4. Rafael Nadal (ESP) 5,405

So, he had a gap of 8,045 points. Gasquet, ranked 10, had 2,905 points. That is how many points Novak was hoarding.
Still, Sinner's separation from the rest of the group is impressive.

But we have to get out of the habit of comparing people with the Big 4. It is never fair.
(And, we keep talking Big 3 all the time. That small sample reminds us of why Andy was included in many of the stats too).

Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:17 am There have been only 6 men who have held #1 ranking for every week of at least one calendar year: Connors, Lendl, Sampras, Hewitt, Federer and Djokovic. McEnroy and Nadal are notably absent from this list.

For women there have been 6 as well - Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Seles, Serena and Barty. Swiatek could join this list this year if Sabalenka falters and she comes back to play and does better at YEC. I don't think that will happen, though.

You were right. Aryna overtook Iga in the rankings, race, and is in a good position to end the year as #1.

We were talking about the gap between Sinner and #2 at the moment, which is a huge one.
We keep forgetting, so easily, about the three guys before him.
I found an article about the 8 biggest points gaps between No 1 and No 2 in ATP Rankings:

8. Jannik Sinner – 4,800 points
The Italian first rose to No 1 in the rankings on June 20, 2024 and he has steadily increased his points lead over the chasing pack.
Shortly after winning the US Open in September, Sinner opened a 4,305-point advantage over Alexander Zverev – the 11th biggest gap at the time – but he has now gone better.
Sinner’s Shanghai Masters title saw him increase his lead over second-placed Carlos Alcaraz to 4,800 points (11,920 v 7,120) on October 14.

7. Rafael Nadal – 5,190
Rafael Nadal achieved his 5,000-point difference milestone over the 2008-2009 tennis seasons as he had accumulated 15,360 points on May 11, 2009.
The Spaniard – who finished the 2008 season at No 1 – had points from the 2008 French Open and Wimbledon as well as the 2009 Australian Open in the bag.
Second-placed Roger Federer was on 10,170 points.

6. Rafael Nadal – 5,245
The Spaniard surpassed his previous best tally a few years later and this time it came on the back of winning the 2010 French Open, Wimbledon and US Open.
Nadal reached 12,390 ranking points on October 11, 2010 and Djokovic was second on 7,145.

5. Roger Federer – 5,881
When Federer hit the 5,881-point gap on October 4, 2004, it was the biggest gap at the time. The ATP only changed its points structure in 2009 and the Swiss was on 6,875 points while Andy Roddick was a distant second on 3,780 points.
However, a 1.9 factor adjustment to reflect the current points structure puts Federer on 13,063 and Roddick on 7,182
Federer accumulated his points from his Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open titles.

4. Roger Federer – 6,346
The following year, Federer cracked the 6,000-point lead on June 13 as he continued to dominate at the top of the rankings.
That milestone came shortly after he reached the semi-final of the French Open as he still had points from his 2004 Wimbledon, US Open and ATP Finals titles.
Federer was on 13,262 points compared to Lleyton Hewitt’s 6,916 after the 1.9 factor adjustment.

3. Roger Federer – 7,410
Roger Federer occupied the top three positions for the biggest points gaps on November 20, 2006 after he surpassed his two previous best efforts.
Officially Federer was 8,370 points compared to Nadal’s 4,470, but with the 1.9 adjustment, he moves to 15,903 while the Spaniard sits on 8 493.
The Swiss won the Australian Open, Wimbledon, US Open and ATP Finals while he also finished runner-up at Roland Garros.

2. Novak Djokovic – 8,725
Novak Djokovic became the first player to crack 16,000 ranking points during the 2016 season and he also became the first – and to date only – player to have an 8,000-plus point lead over the second-placed player in the rankings.
The Serbian was on 16,540 points on April 4, 2016 as at the time he was in possession of the Wimbledon, US Open, ATP Finals and Australian Open trophies while he also finished runner-up at Roland Garros the previous year.
Andy Murray was a distant second on 7,815 points.

1. Novak Djokovic – 9,025
Not long after his 8,000-point achievement, Djokovic broke the 9,000-point lead milestone as he notched up the feat on May 9, 2016.
He moved to 16,550 points after winning the 2016 Madrid Open while second-placed Federer was on 7,525 points.
At the time he had points from the Italian Open, Wimbledon, US Open, China Open, Shanghai Masters, Paris Masters and ATP Finals from 2015 and the Qatar Open, Australian Open, Indian Wells Open, Miami Open and Madrid Open in 2016.