ATP M1000 Shanghai 10/2 - 10/13 2024

[ashkor87]

Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!

[skatingfan]

Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!

Ponchi is making fun of the prediction that Paul will do well, and eluding to one of our favourite subjects of Talk About Tennis - we are jinks - we have ruined careers just by being in the stands.

[ponchi101]

Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!

As skating says above, and I meant ANY 3R. Sure, he is alive, and next thing you know, he loses an inexplicable match.
I don't know about his FH being too spin-ny (@Mick).

[ti-amie]

Saturday 05 October, 2024 (Day 6)

STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm

C. Alcaraz (3) Vs J. Shang
Followed By
J. Sinner (1) Vs T. Daniel
Not Before 6:30 pm
A. Michelsen Vs (4) N. Djokovic
Followed By
M. Bellucci (Q) Vs (2) A. Zverev

SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm

A. Rublev (6) Vs J. Mensik
Followed By
T. Fritz (7) Vs (Q) T. Atmane
Followed By
F. Tiafoe (13) Vs (WC) Y. Zhou
Followed By
F. Cobolli (28) Vs (WC) S. Wawrinka

GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm

A. Shevchenko Vs (27) F. Cerundolo
Followed By
Z. Bergs Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
M. Berrettini Vs (12) H. Rune
Followed By
L. Musetti (15) Vs D. Goffin

COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm

Y. Watanuki (Q) Vs (32) B. Nakashima
Followed By
A. Popyrin (20) Vs M. Kecmanovic
Followed By
R. Safiullin Vs (23) A. Bublik
Followed By
J. Thompson (26) Vs T. Griekspoor

COURT 7
Starts at 12:30 pm

L. Darderi/A. Tabilo Vs (Alt) P. Tsitsipas/S. Tsitsipas
Followed By
J. Lehecka (33) Vs J. Munar
Followed By
M. Giron Vs (24) K. Khachanov
Followed By
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs U. Humbert/A. Mannarino

COURT 6
Starts at 12:30 pm

A. Behar/R. Galloway Vs (WC) F. Sun/R. Te
Followed By
W. Koolhof/N. Mektic Vs A. Fils/B. Shelton
Followed By / after suitable rest
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry
Followed By
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs (6) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten

[ashkor87]

Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!

And I saw him win Queens with my own eyes...your jinxes may have lost their potency?!

But I agree his forehand doesn't quite penetrate...

[ashkor87]

De Minaur is the other quick-footed streak of lightning who could have done well, but I think he is still injured.. Tommy Paul is the only other one I can think of whose foot speed exceeds his overall capability..so should do better than his own average at Shanghai.

slow-footed hulks are many - Fritz, for instance.. who should NOT do well here.

[ponchi101]

Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!

And I saw him win Queens with my own eyes...your jinxes may have lost their potency?!

But I agree his forehand doesn't quite penetrate...

You do this with frequency.
Of course he won Queens. He is a fine player. But I think he should win 2-3 tournaments a year, and should be a permanent fixture in the second week of slams, even RG.
And he isn't. And I wonder why because I like his game and strokes and he moves well. So, I just don't know what is missing (although you guys are pointing it out).

[ashkor87]

His volley is also not decisive enough..though he likes to volley ..tends to just pop it up in the middle of the court..

[ponchi101]

His volley is also not decisive enough..though he likes to volley ..tends to just pop it up in the middle of the court..

That didn't stop Novak.
We always like to look for one stroke or one thing that the player does not do well. And you can see many champions that had technical issues on one stroke or the other. Edberg's FH was a really weak shot. 6 Slams. Evert's volleys were adequate, nothing more. You know the count. Becker's FH volley was hit with the wrong grip, Courier's BH was a very odd stroke.
Then you had perfect strikers like Laconte and currently Muchova, and they have no slams.
Plenty of players have been winners with some part of the game missing. Wilander. And his basic-skills net game.

[ashkor87]

Very true. But all great players have a couple of great strengths..Paul doesn't...except for movement, I suppose...

[ti-amie]

Sunday 06 October, 2024 (Day 7)

STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm

M. Arnaldi (29) Vs (5) D. Medvedev
Followed By
J. Sinner (1) Vs (31) T. Etcheverry
Not Before 6:30 pm
C. Alcaraz (3) Vs (WC) Y. Wu
Followed By
T. Paul (11) Vs (19) A. Tabilo

SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm / TBF 4/3

T. Fritz (7) Vs (Q) T. Atmane
Followed By
S. Tsitsipas (10) Vs A. Muller
Followed By
R. Carballes Baena Vs (14) B. Shelton
Followed By
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (1) Vs (Alt) M. Reyes-Varela/J. Smith
Followed By / after suitable rest
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs U. Humbert/A. Mannarino

GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm / TBF 3/6 4/2

Z. Bergs Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
M. Berrettini Vs (12) H. Rune
Followed By
G. Monfils Vs (16) U. Humbert
Followed By
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs (6) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
Followed By / after suitable rest
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs T. Machac/Z. Zhang

COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm / TBF 2/1

R. Safiullin Vs (23) A. Bublik
Followed By
F. Tiafoe (13) Vs (WC) Y. Zhou
Followed By
T. Machac (30) Vs (Q) A. Vukic
Followed By / after suitable rest
S. Doumbia/F. Reboul Vs (WC) A. Wang/Y. Zhou

COURT 7
Starts at 12:30 pm

F. Cobolli (28) Vs (WC) S. Wawrinka
Followed By / TBF 0/0
M. Giron Vs (24) K. Khachanov
Followed By
J. Cash/L. Glasspool Vs (3) M. Ebden/J. Salisbury
Followed By / after suitable rest TBF 0/0
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry

COURT 6
Starts at 12:30 pm

J. Thompson (26) Vs T. Griekspoor
Followed By
L. Musetti (15) Vs D. Goffin
Followed By
S. Gille/J. Vliegen Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic

[ti-amie]

Monday 07 October, 2024 (Day 8)

STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:00 noon / TBF 4/3

R64
T. Fritz (7) Vs (Q) T. Atmane
Followed By / TBF 3/6 4/2
R64
Z. Bergs Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
R64
F. Tiafoe (13) Vs (WC) Y. Zhou
Not Before 6:30 pm
R64
M. Berrettini Vs (12) H. Rune
Followed By
R64
F. Cobolli (28) Vs (WC) S. Wawrinka

SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:00 noon

S. Tsitsipas (10) Vs A. Muller
Not Before 1:00 pm / TBF 2/1
R64
R. Safiullin Vs (23) A. Bublik
Followed By
R32
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (1) Vs (Alt) M. Reyes-Varela/J. Smith
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
S. Doumbia/F. Reboul Vs (WC) A. Wang/Y. Zhou

GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:00 noon

R32
G. Monfils Vs (16) U. Humbert
Not Before 1:00 pm
R64
J. Thompson (26) Vs T. Griekspoor
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs T. Machac/Z. Zhang

COURT 4
Starts at 12:00 noon

R32
R. Carballes Baena Vs (14) B. Shelton
Not Before 1:00 pm / TBF 0/0
R64
M. Giron Vs (24) K. Khachanov
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs U. Humbert/A. Mannarino

COURT 7
Starts at 12:00 noon

R32
T. Machac (30) Vs (Q) A. Vukic
Not Before 1:00 pm
R64
L. Musetti (15) Vs D. Goffin
Followed By
R32
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs (6) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten

COURT 6
Starts at 12:00 noon

R32
S. Gille/J. Vliegen Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Followed By
R32
J. Cash/L. Glasspool Vs (3) M. Ebden/J. Salisbury
Followed By / TBF 0/0
R32
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry

[ashkor87]

This bring an extreme case- a fast court, we can make some predictions- Paul, Tiafoe, will do well, Musetti, Fritz, Berrettini and other leaden-footed heavy hitters will not ..Sinner and Alcaraz are very quick, they will do well but that won't surprise anyone ..

[mick1303]

This bring an extreme case- a fast court, we can make some predictions- Paul, Tiafoe, will do well, Musetti, Fritz, Berrettini and other leaden-footed heavy hitters will not ..Sinner and Alcaraz are very quick, they will do well but that won't surprise anyone ..

Musetti is an opposite of "leaden-footed". His problem with fast surfaces is of different nature: tendency to long backswings. I thought that he rectified it, given his good showing at Wimbledon. But maybe this time the reason for his loss is different, I did not see the match...

[ashkor87]

I have seen Mussetti live..he is far from quick.