Talk About Tennis 2.0

Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:44 am It will be fairly similar. Very few Russian/Belorussian players would have made an impact here. Years later everyone will have forgotten about this.

I'd say that there's an extremely good chance that the banned players would have made a significantly bigger impact than will their replacements. That's pretty much guaranteed.
And that makes for a significantly different tournament.
Not to mention that no points being awarded will surely take away a degree of the motivation of some players.

Whether the controversy of this year's Wimbledon will be remembered or forgotten in coming years depends more upon how much more people become obsessed with trivial things like 'social media' and 'celebrity lifestyles' than it depends on the actual impact the Wimbledon bans create - because every year, trivial fluff takes up more and more space in people's thoughts than do significant, important matters.

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:17 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:26 pm Can't rule it out, but far less likely. Berrettini is an established top 15 player with a history of playing particularly well on grass.

I was being facetious. I might put him equal with Rafa based on his form. BHM is a legitimate dark horse, likely to live up to her seeding with her confidence on the surface.

I agree, a very legitimate dark horse. It's just that she's bound to lose early.

Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:44 am It will be fairly similar. Very few Russian/Belorussian players would have made an impact here. Years later everyone will have forgotten about this.

I would say Sabalenka could have had a good tournament. She made the semis las year.
Of course, with her, she could have lost in 1R. We will never know.

Seeds have been announced. No surprise in the positions, but, with Medvedev and Zverev out, it is Novak and Rafa at #1 and #2.
Perhaps for the last time at a slam?

Daria Saville has received one of the remaining 2 wild cards on the women's side

SEEDING ANNOUNCEMENTS

GENTLEMEN'S SINGLES

1 DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB)
2 NADAL, Rafael (ESP)
3 RUUD, Casper (NOR)
4 TSITSIPAS, Stefanos (GRE)
5 ALCARAZ, Carlos (ESP)
6 AUGER-ALIASSIME, Felix (CAN)
7 HURKACZ, Hubert (POL)
8 BERRETTINI, Matteo (ITA)
9 NORRIE, Cameron (GBR)
10 SINNER, Jannik (ITA)
11 FRITZ, Taylor (USA)
12 SCHWARTZMAN, Diego (ARG)
13 SHAPOVALOV, Denis (CAN)
14 CILIC, Marin (CRO)
15 OPELKA, Reilly (USA)
16 CARRENO BUSTA, Pablo (ESP)
17 BAUTISTA AGUT, Roberto (ESP)
18 DIMITROV, Grigor (BUL)
19 MONFILS, Gael (FRA)
20 DE MINAUR, Alex (AUS)
21 ISNER, John (USA)
22 VAN DE ZANDSCHULP, Botic (NED)
23 BASILASHVILI, Nikoloz (GEO)
24 TIAFOE, Frances (USA)
25 RUNE, Holger (DEN)
26 KECMANOVIC, Miomir (SRB)
27 KRAJINOVIC, Filip (SRB)
28 SONEGO, Lorenzo (ITA)
29 EVANS, Daniel (GBR)
30 BROOKSBY, Jenson (USA)
31 PAUL, Tommy (USA)
32 BAEZ, Sebastian (ARG)

LADIES' SINGLES - Seeds

1 SWIATEK, Iga (POL)
2 KONTAVEIT, Anett (EST)
3 JABEUR, Ons (TUN)
4 BADOSA, Paula (ESP)
5 SAKKARI, Maria (GRE)
6 PLISKOVA, Karolina (CZE)
7 COLLINS, Danielle (USA)
8 PEGULA, Jessica (USA)
9 MUGURUZA, Garbine (ESP)
10 RADUCANU, Emma (GBR)
11 GAUFF, Coco (USA)
12 OSTAPENKO, Jelena (LAT)
13 KREJCIKOVA, Barbora (CZE)
14 BENCIC, Belinda (SUI)
15 KERBER, Angelique (GER)
16 HALEP, Simona (ROU)
17 RYBAKINA, Elena (KAZ)
18 TEICHMANN, Jil (SUI)
19 KEYS, Madison (USA)
20 ANISIMOVA, Amanda (USA)
21 GIORGI, Camila (ITA)
22 TREVISAN, Martina (ITA)
23 HADDAD MAIA, Beatriz (BRA)
24 MERTENS, Elise (BEL)
25 KVITOVA, Petra (CZE)
26 CIRSTEA, Sorana (ROU)
27 PUTINTSEVA, Yulia (KAZ)
28 RISKE, Alison (USA)
29 KALININA, Anhelina (UKR)
30 ROGERS, Shelby (USA)
31 KANEPI, Kaia (EST)
32 SORRIBES TORMO, Sara (ESP)

GENTLEMEN'S DOUBLES -Seeds

1 RAM, Rajeev (USA) and SALISBURY, Joe (GBR)
2 GRANOLLERS, Marcel (ESP) and ZEBALLOS, Horacio (ARG)
3 MEKTIC, Nikola (CRO) and PAVIC, Mate (CRO)
4 KOOLHOF, Wesley (NED) and SKUPSKI, Neal (GBR)
5 AREVALO, Marcelo (ESA) and ROJER, Jean-Julien (NED)
6 PUETZ, Tim (GER) and VENUS, Michael (NZL)
7 CABAL, Juan Sebastian (COL) and FARAH, Robert (COL)
8 PEERS, John (AUS) and POLASEK, Filip (SVK)
9 DODIG, Ivan (CRO) and KRAJICEK, Austin (USA)
10 MURRAY, Jamie (GBR) and SOARES, Bruno (BRA)
11 KOKKINAKIS, Thanasi (AUS) and KYRGIOS, Nick (AUS)
12 KRAWIETZ, Kevin (GER) and MIES, Andreas (GER)
13 MAHUT, Nicolas (FRA) and ROGER-VASSELIN, Edouard (FRA)
14 GONZALEZ, Santiago (MEX) and MOLTENI, Andres (ARG)
15 EBDEN, Matthew (AUS) and PURCELL, Max (AUS)
16 GLASSPOOL, Lloyd (GBR) and HELIOVAARA, Harri (FIN)

LADIES' DOUBLES - Seeds

1 MERTENS, Elise (BEL) and ZHANG, Shuai (CHN)
2 KREJCIKOVA, Barbora (CZE) and SINIAKOVA, Katerina (CZE)
3 DABROWSKI, Gabriela (CAN) and OLMOS, Giuliana (MEX)
4 KICHENOK, Lyudmyla (UKR) and OSTAPENKO, Jelena (LAT)
5 MUHAMMAD, Asia (USA) and SHIBAHARA, Ena (JPN)
6 HRADECKA, Lucie (CZE) and MIRZA, Sania (IND)
7 GUARACHI, Alexa (CHI) and KLEPAC, Andreja (SLO)
8 AOYAMA, Shuko (JPN) and CHAN, Hao-Ching (TPE)
9 XU, Yifan (CHN) and YANG, Zhaoxuan (CHN)
10 MELICHAR-MARTINEZ, Nicole (USA) and PEREZ, Ellen (AUS)
11 ROSOLSKA, Alicja (POL) and ROUTLIFFE, Erin (NZL)
12 CHAN, Latisha (TPE) and STOSUR, Samantha (AUS)
13 DZALAMIDZE, Natela (GEO) and KRUNIC, Aleksandra (SRB)
14 NICULESCU, Monica (ROU) and RUSE, Elena-Gabriela (ROU)
15 KICHENOK, Nadiia (UKR) and OLARU, Raluca (ROU)
16 FLIPKENS, Kirsten (BEL) and SORRIBES TORMO, Sara (ESP)

Suliso wrote:

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:17 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:26 pm Can't rule it out, but far less likely. Berrettini is an established top 15 player with a history of playing particularly well on grass.

I was being facetious. I might put him equal with Rafa based on his form. BHM is a legitimate dark horse, likely to live up to her seeding with her confidence on the surface.

I agree, a very legitimate dark horse. It's just that she's bound to lose early.

Only if she draws the suddenly resurgent Sabine Lisiciki!! Is she in the draw? Otherwise BMH and I will see you in week two.




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ponchi101 wrote:

Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:44 am It will be fairly similar. Very few Russian/Belorussian players would have made an impact here. Years later everyone will have forgotten about this.

I would say Sabalenka could have had a good tournament. She made the semis las year.
Of course, with her, she could have lost in 1R. We will never know.

Agree, more likely than not. Alexandrova might have scored some upsets, too. And Medvedev was a week 2 lock.


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meganfernandez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:43 pm

ponchi101 wrote:

Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:44 am It will be fairly similar. Very few Russian/Belorussian players would have made an impact here. Years later everyone will have forgotten about this.

I would say Sabalenka could have had a good tournament. She made the semis las year.
Of course, with her, she could have lost in 1R. We will never know.

Agree, more likely than not. Alexandrova might have scored some upsets, too. And Medvedev was a week 2 lock.

Also Rublev and Khachanov and Karatsev on the men's side...

And for the women, in addition to Sabalenka, there is Azarenka and Kasatkina and Kudermetova and Sasnovich...

Add in Osaka, who I believe would likely have played if points were to be awarded... and any other players who have withdrawn or will withdraw due to there being no points awarded...

Those are good players ^. Significantly better and more established than their much lower ranked replacements.
So to say that this year's Wimbledon won't be much different with the unfair ban of these players than it would have been with these banned players participating is, I feel, quite an inaccurate perspective.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:43 am

I’m going to guess Raducanu

JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:15 am

ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:43 am

I’m going to guess Raducanu

And you might be right.