Talk About Tennis 2.0

Of course, Pegula's court sense and footwork was always superb

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:22 am

ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:39 am I see Sabalenka is wearing the clover pendant.

Significance?

It has to do with achieving a certain status on the WTA tour. I thought I had posted it here but I can't remember where...

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:30 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:05 pm A clear pattern- anyone who went deep in the Olympics is physically and mentally compromised here . Swiatek, Djoko, Alcaraz,, QZ..those who didn't are doing fine- Saba, Sinner, even Pegula (who played but didn't go deep)

Yes. A tournament that was 6 weeks ago.
These players are really weak.

QZ didn't underachieve here. I would argue neither did Iga.
Fritz didn't (went deep in doubles). Same for Tommy Paul.

I would add Tiafoe to the list who skipped.

And Roddick talked about not only "missing a training block" but how from clay to grass to clay to hard is an extra transition

Vekic too...and Musetti..all medalists..
Every single medallist flopped

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:45 am Vekic too...and Musetti..all medalists..
Every single medallist flopped

You could also make the same argument about Wimbledon, and the French Open.

Remind me- who won Wimbledon? And the French?

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:24 am Remind me- who won Wimbledon? And the French?

Krejcikova, Alcaraz, and Swiatek.

yes, a silver and a bronze..and the runnerup at Wimbledon won the gold.. so what are you saying?

oh, ok, are you saying those who did well at Wimbledon and French also did poorly at the USO? Yes, but that is because the same folks did well at the Olympics, so hard to deduce anything.. Olympics was the proximate cause.

Jovic is on the semis of the girls event...someone worth tracking .win a round in the main draw and then pushed Alexandrova hard...

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:57 am oh, ok, are you saying those who did well at Wimbledon and French also did poorly at the USO? Yes, but that is because the same folks did well at the Olympics, so hard to deduce anything.. Olympics was the proximate cause.

post hoc ergo propter hoc

Muchova probably just needs more match practice to learn to stay tough in long matches...if she stays healthy, she will get there .Great achievement, to come back from she was at the start of the year...

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:45 am Vekic too...and Musetti..all medalists..
Every single medallist flopped

Flopped really got in my craw. As such -

Because I hate selective statistics let's look at ALL of them.

Novak - fine
Carlos - fine
Musetti - lost in round of 32, but that isn't abnormal given his ranking (18). Lost to Nakashima - sub par but not a flop imo.
Felix (4th) - I will add this one because he lost in first round.

Those who made it to medal round of doubles and also play singles?
Fritz -still alive
Paul - lost in R16 but held to ranking (loss to sinner)
Machac - unseeded but made it to R16 (loss to draper )

Zheng - lost in quarters to Sabalenka but held ranking
Vekic - lost in R16, to Zheng, but held ranking
Swiatek - lost in quarters
Schmiedlova - lost in opening round. But as a bonus is in the semi finals of another tourney currently. (Also - ranked 87th so in theory should have lost opening round anyway)

Doubles medalists is a litany:
Errani - made it to 3rd round, which is overachieve. Not to mention won mixed.
Paolini - made it to R16. Bit of a letdown here
Shnaider - lost in R16 to pegula. Held ranking.
Andreeva - lost in 2nd round. That is underachievement.
Noskova - lost in 1st round - not completely unexpected as was unseeded and played a seed.
Muchova - unseeded and made semi's - I would say that's fine
SST - lost in 2nd round to a seed (she was unseeded)
Bucsa - lost in 1st round to Errani.

Great stats ..but I don't think doubles counts, not as taxing as singles...the larger point is,- how much did Olympics take out of the players, and therefore damage the USO..anyway doesn't matter, ITF is not going to change their schedule because of this. Not really worth it.