Talk About Tennis 2.0

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:38 am I said it before: how small must your penis be?
Seriously: how can a country admit that a man carrying this level of firepower DOES NOT mean that you have a huge problem?

This morning's NY Times newsletter had a commentary about it. There's no way to link to it, so I just copied and pasted it here. I bolded the part that really stood out to me. It encapsulates my thinking on the issue, but I have NEVER seen it stated so flatly and directly before. It's an incredibly sad statement to read.

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‘We know which laws work’
It’s a dismal ritual of American life: A mass shooting occurs — sometimes more than one, in quick succession. The country mourns the victims. And nothing changes.

I expect the same will happen following the killings in Atlanta and Boulder, Colo. But it is still worth taking a few minutes to lay out the basic facts about gun violence. The key one is simply this: The scale of gun deaths in the United States is not inevitable. The country could reduce the death toll, perhaps substantially, if it chose to.

1. The toll approaches pancreatic cancer’s
When gun violence is counted as a single category — spanning homicides, suicides and accidents — it kills about 40,000 Americans a year.

That’s far behind the country’s biggest killers, like heart disease (about 650,000 annual deaths) or Alzheimer’s (about 125,000). But it is broadly comparable to the toll from many well-known causes of death, including an average flu season (35,000), vehicle accidents (39,000), breast cancer (42,000), liver disease (43,000) or pancreatic cancer (45,000).

2. More guns mean more deaths
Republican members of Congress often claim otherwise. After the Boulder shootings, John Thune of South Dakota, the Senate’s second-ranking Republican, dismissed calls for restricting gun availability, saying, “There’s not a big appetite among our members to do things that would appear to be addressing it, but actually don’t do anything to fix the problem.”

But there is overwhelming evidence that this country has a unique problem with gun violence, mostly because it has unique gun availability.

It’s not just that every other high-income country in the world has many fewer guns and many fewer gun deaths. It’s also that U.S. states with fewer guns — like California, Illinois, Iowa and much of the Northeast — have fewer gun deaths. And when state or local governments have restricted gun access, deaths have often declined, Michael Siegel of Boston University’s School of Public Health says.

“The main lesson that comes out of this research is that we know which laws work,” Siegel says. (Nicholas Kristof, the Times columnist, has written a good overview, called “How to Reduce Shootings.”)

3. Mass shootings aren’t the main problem
They receive huge attention, for obvious reasons: They are horrific. But they are also not the primary source of gun violence. In 2019, for example, only about one out of every 400 gun deaths was the result of a mass shooting (defined as any attack with at least four deaths). More than half of gun deaths are from suicides, as Margot Sanger-Katz of The Times has noted.

Still, many of the policies that experts say would reduce gun deaths — like requiring gun licenses and background checks — would likely affect both mass shootings and the larger problem.

4. Public opinion is complicated
Yes, an overwhelming majority of Americans support many gun-regulation proposals — like background checks — that congressional Republicans have blocked. And, yes, the campaign donations of the National Rifle Association influence the debate.

But the main reason that members of Congress feel comfortable blocking gun control is that most Americans don’t feel strongly enough about the issue to change their votes because of it. If Americans stopped voting for opponents of gun control, gun-control laws would pass very quickly. This country’s level of gun violence is as high as it is because many Americans have decided that they are OK with it.

5. The filibuster is pro-gun
Gun control is yet another issue in which the filibuster helps Republican policy priorities and hurts Democratic priorities. On guns (as on climate change, taxes, Medicare access, the minimum wage, immigration and other issues), Republicans are happier with the status quo than Democrats. The filibuster — which requires 60 Senate votes to pass most bills, rather than a straight majority of 51 — protects the status quo.

If Democrats were to change the filibuster, as many favor, it isn’t hard to imagine how a gun-control bill could become law this year. With the filibuster, it is almost impossible to imagine.

And why are Americans Ok with the guns' status quo? Because, and here I have no data to base this statement, I would like to know which demographics are affected the most.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:34 pm And why are Americans Ok with the guns' status quo? Because, and here I have no data to base this statement, I would like to know which demographics are affected the most.

Also, what states make the most money from gun trafficking? I know the east coast best. The I95 corridor is the main route for guns being transported from the South - Florida, Georgia, The Carolina's, Virginia to the North East. As we've recently been reminded it's easier to buy a gun than to vote in some of these states. Most of the guns being transported end up in the hands of gang members or other folks with criminal intent. If strict gun control was mandated what would the residents of these states do?

The press reports on gang shootings and rage shootings but not on the deaths of people who unfortunately decide to end their lives.

It's more than just that though. John Oliver did a piece on how gun control is hard to enact. Not sure if you guys remember it, but part of it is the simplicity of the NRA's argument. They don't have to make fancy arguments, they have to get people to show up and say No. The other side, it's nuanced, people don't want too many rights taken away, they want to make sure we're not going overboard, that people can still hunt, protect their homes, etc, it's more complex. And the NRA members show up and they just say No. Not hard to remember No.

Here's the Last Week Tonight from a few years ago on the difficulty of enacting gun control measures

If I didn't recognize Sahil's name, I'd assume that had to have been a joke from The Onion. Just WOW.

Meth was homegrown? Ok, he might not be on meth as he speaks, but at a minimum he is wasted. What does he think, meth grows in a tree?

I figured he has a relative in the business...

I was just reading about the upcoming once 17 years cicada invasion. Any of you living in the affected areas? That should be some spectacle.