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ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Interesting to see the tournament promoting these two.

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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Interesting to see some names at the bottom end of the seedings that we're not used to seeing seeded in big tournaments - Cressy, Botic, Baez, Cerundolo, Nishioka...
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Monday, March 06, 2023 Day 1 Qualifying

STADIUM 2 Starts At 11:00 Am


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(10) Christopher Eubanks VS Maximilian Marterer
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(7) Alexei Popyrin VS (PR) Bradley Klahn
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(9) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (PR) Yuichi Sugita
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(WC) Zachary Svajda VS (21) Steve Johnson
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(3) Denis Kudla VS Alexandre Muller
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(1) Dusan Lajovic VS (WC) Tennys Sandgren

STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

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(WC) Robin Montgomery VS (13) Magdalena Frech
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Coco Vandeweghe VS (24) Laura Siegemund
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(WC) Caroline Dolehide VS (16) Harriet Dart
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(9)Lesia Tsurenko VS Taylor Townsend
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(WC) Liv Hovde VS (21) Reka-Luca Jani
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Ylena In-Albon VS (14) Sara Errani

STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am

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(12) Laura Pigossi VS (WC) Ashlyn Krueger
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(11) Anna Karolina Schmiedlova VS (WC) Stephanie Yakoff
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(7) Ysaline Bonaventure VS Viktoria Kuzmova
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Katie Boulter VS (18) Diane Parry
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(4) Rebeka Masarova VS Mirjam Bjorklund
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(6) Diana Shnaider VS Arantxa Rus

STADIUM 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

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Emilio Nava VS (23) Pavel Kotov
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Geoffrey Blancaneaux VS (22) Jan-Lennard Struff
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(8) Cristian Garin VS (WC) Learner Tien
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Juncheng Shang VS (14) Yosuke Watanuki
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(WC) Alex Michelsen VS (19) Leandro Riedi
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Felipe Meligeni Alves VS (16) Rinky Hijikata

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(1) Dalma Galfi VS Ana Konjuh
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Elena-Gabriela Ruse VS (19) Tereza Martincova
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Katarina Zavatska VS (23) Eva Lys
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(5) Viktorija Golubic VS Olga Danilovic
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(3) Varvara Gracheva VS (WC) Petra Marcinko
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(8) Kamilla Rakhimova VS Nao Hibino

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(12) Francesco Passaro VS (WC) Mitchell Krueger
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Lloyd Harris VS (13) Matteo Arnaldi
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(5) Christopher O'Connell VS Alejandro Tabilo
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(2) Nuno Borges VS Pablo Andujar

STADIUM 8 Starts At 11:00 Am

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Tung-Lin Wu VS (15) Alexander Shevchenko
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(11) Radu Albot VS Mattia Bellucci
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Joao Sousa VS (24) Filip Misolic
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(6) Zhizhen Zhang VS Elias Ymer
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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With Carlitos now the Top Seed he won't play until Friday or can they save him for the weekend? I'm never sure about these things.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ti-amie wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:25 am With Carlitos now the Top Seed he won't play until Friday or can they save him for the weekend? I'm never sure about these things.
2nd round is being played Friday, and Saturday, so yes.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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mick1303 wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:57 pm Sinner surely shall be in top 5. I like his chances more than Norrie/Fritz.
sinner seems to do better on faster courts.. I expect the IW will be too slow for him..
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ponchi101 wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:58 pm In the same way that recently we were talking about Iga being "a monster", Daniil has been playing superb tennis as of late. Three straight tournaments, barely breaking a sweat. So, I will flip your Alcaraz for Daniil at IW.
Norrie? Sure, he has won it before. But I don't give him much of a chance.
Fritz and not Paul, who just beat him (a very close match, we know that)? I give Paul a chance.
Zverev? Nope, not yet. Still recovering from the long lay off.
Stefanos? Uhm, yes. He should be very fresh, and by your theory of slow courts, he should like it here.
If we are going again by your court speed hypothesis, we have to include Ruud. USO Finalist, and if the court is slow, he could do well. But he is playing poor tennis.
DeMinaur. Fastest man on the tour, on your slow court. How do you get a ball by him?

Women.
Sure, Iga and Aryna. Those are given.
Kudermetova, Samsonova and Alexandrova? But not Garcia? Nah, can see those doing much.
Paula? She has done nothing in a long time. Former champion, yes, but I don't know how well she is playing.
Vekic and Kostyuk are in finals this weekend. They are playing well.

You don't like Pegula. But she is consistent as hell. She can take it, if somebody at least softens Iga a little bit. Aryna can still self destruct, so we always know she can take herself out of a match in a hurry.
Miss OTHER can raise her head. But, to me, your trio of OVA's are included there, so it might work.
Yes, Pegula is consistent, which gives her a high ranking.. but her best isnt good enough to beat the top players, and she prefers faster courts, which is why I dont give her much chance..
Badosa will be fresh, and she likes this court - a former champion after all, so I give her a sliver of a chance.
should be fun to watch how this all pans out anyway..
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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I have several friends, not US citizens, who strolled into the US without anyone even asking them about vaccination. of course, they will make a point of asking Djokovic but the whole thing seems arbitrary at best
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ashkor87 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:45 am I have several friends, not US citizens, who strolled into the US without anyone even asking them about vaccination. of course, they will make a point of asking Djokovic but the whole thing seems arbitrary at best
Serbians require a visa to enter the US, so it would be part of the application process.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ponchi101 wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:58 pm In the same way that recently we were talking about Iga being "a monster", Daniil has been playing superb tennis as of late. Three straight tournaments, barely breaking a sweat. So, I will flip your Alcaraz for Daniil at IW.
Norrie? Sure, he has won it before. But I don't give him much of a chance.
Fritz and not Paul, who just beat him (a very close match, we know that)? I give Paul a chance.
Zverev? Nope, not yet. Still recovering from the long lay off.
Stefanos? Uhm, yes. He should be very fresh, and by your theory of slow courts, he should like it here.
If we are going again by your court speed hypothesis, we have to include Ruud. USO Finalist, and if the court is slow, he could do well. But he is playing poor tennis.
DeMinaur. Fastest man on the tour, on your slow court. How do you get a ball by him?

Women.
Sure, Iga and Aryna. Those are given.
Kudermetova, Samsonova and Alexandrova? But not Garcia? Nah, can see those doing much.
Paula? She has done nothing in a long time. Former champion, yes, but I don't know how well she is playing.
Vekic and Kostyuk are in finals this weekend. They are playing well.

You don't like Pegula. But she is consistent as hell. She can take it, if somebody at least softens Iga a little bit. Aryna can still self destruct, so we always know she can take herself out of a match in a hurry.
Miss OTHER can raise her head. But, to me, your trio of OVA's are included there, so it might work.
Medvedev just doesnt have enough power to hit through a slow court.. he never does well here.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Actually, Medvedev's performance is one way I am testing the theory that slow courts call for power, fast courts call for foot speed and defense. Let us see what real life says about the theory.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ashkor87 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:34 pm Actually, Medvedev's performance is one way I am testing the theory that slow courts call for power, fast courts call for foot speed and defense. Let us see what real life says about the theory.
The problem is how to collect the data.
For example. You and I agree that the current grass at Wimbledon is slower than ever. There is some data in that the grass mix was changed several years ago precisely to make the surface a bit sturdier, but we have no data on the speed. We don't even have a scale.
For clay, we know that the speed is related to the depth of the clay bed: the more clay, the slower the court. For hard courts, the paint mix determines the speed (or, more precisely, the amount of "sand" or "dirt" in the mix).
But, again, we have no scale, and I can't agree with your concept of an eye test. It is too subjective. I agree that the courts today are slower than the courts of past, but where I disagree with you is that the difference between Doha/Dubai and IW/MIA are so extreme that you can say that some players simply cannot win in one place or another.
I believe that the balls affect play much more than any surface. If IW/MIA use the same ball as the other recent tournaments, players will be used to that. If there is a new change of balls, then we can see some changes.

As you say, let's see how that goes.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:27 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:34 pm Actually, Medvedev's performance is one way I am testing the theory that slow courts call for power, fast courts call for foot speed and defense. Let us see what real life says about the theory.
The problem is how to collect the data.
For example. You and I agree that the current grass at Wimbledon is slower than ever. There is some data in that the grass mix was changed several years ago precisely to make the surface a bit sturdier, but we have no data on the speed. We don't even have a scale.
For clay, we know that the speed is related to the depth of the clay bed: the more clay, the slower the court. For hard courts, the paint mix determines the speed (or, more precisely, the amount of "sand" or "dirt" in the mix).
But, again, we have no scale, and I can't agree with your concept of an eye test. It is too subjective. I agree that the courts today are slower than the courts of past, but where I disagree with you is that the difference between Doha/Dubai and IW/MIA are so extreme that you can say that some players simply cannot win in one place or another.
I believe that the balls affect play much more than any surface. If IW/MIA use the same ball as the other recent tournaments, players will be used to that. If there is a new change of balls, then we can see some changes.

As you say, let's see how that goes.
I do agree that court speed is only one of several factors but I do think it is a factor. Most people dont think it is a factor at all - I keep harping on it only because I see that as a gap in the way we think about the game.
I dont see why we need data beyond what our eyes and ears are telling us - if most knowledgeable people see a court as slow, it is slow. The day is soon coming when we rely on AI for everything.. I hope to be gone by then!
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ashkor87 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:37 pm
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I do agree that court speed is only one of several factors but I do think it is a factor. Most people dont think it is a factor at all - I keep harping on it only because I see that as a gap in the way we think about the game.
I dont see why we need data beyond what our eyes and ears are telling us - if most knowledgeable people see a court as slow, it is slow. The day is soon coming when we rely on AI for everything.. I hope to be gone by then!
I hope not because then you will have to be gone next month! ;)
I do like data. I am a data rat, and I like to quantify these facts. For example.
We are also talking about how more powerful racquets are today. But it goes deeper than that. We are seeing players retiring from matches, but we are not seeing a lot of ARM and SHOULDER injuries. The injuries we are seeing are knees, hips, ankles, hamstrings and abs, but not much about wrists and elbows (Thiem is the last player I can recall with a bad wrist injury, and before him, Delpo). So, the racquets seem to be more powerful, but they also seem to be more forgiving. Yet, I don't see a power rating for racquets. We KNOW that the Babolats are more powerful than the Yonexes, but not by how much.
And I think we are not that far away on the relevance of speed (of the court). We agree it is a factor; but it is not THE factor. Example: Medvedev. he is obviously a very good player on hard courts, regardless of speed (USO champ, Aussie RU), but he has done very little on clay (not even Madrid, which is recognized as fast) and has a minor title on grass. I say the surface, not the speed, is what dictates his results.
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