by ti-amie Tournament: ROLEX SHANGHAI MASTERS
Dates: 2 - 13 October, 2024
Location: Shanghai, China
Tier: ATP Masters 1000
Surface: Hard
Prize: $8,995,555
Total Financial Commitment: $10,298,535
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Jannik Sinner 1 1
2 Novak Djokovic 2 2
3 Carlos Alcaraz 3 3
4 Alexander Zverev 4 4
5 Daniil Medvedev 5 5
6 Andrey Rublev 6 6
7 Hubert Hurkacz 7 7
8 Casper Ruud 8 8
9 Grigor Dimitrov 9 9
10 Alex de Minaur 10 10
11 Stefanos Tsitsipas 11 11
12 Taylor Fritz 12 12
13 Ben Shelton 13 13
14 Tommy Paul 14 14
15 Holger Rune 15 15
16 Sebastian Korda 16 16
17 Ugo Humbert 17 17
18 Lorenzo Musetti 18 18
19 Felix Auger-Aliassime 19 19
20 Frances Tiafoe 20 20
21 Alejandro Tabilo 21 21
22 Karen Khachanov 22 22
23 Sebastian Baez 23 23
24 Arthur Fils 24 24
25 Jack Draper 25 25
26 Nicolas Jarry 26 26
27 Alexander Bublik 27 27
28 Alexei Popyrin 28 28
29 Francisco Cerundolo 29 29
30 Matteo Arnaldi 30 30
31 Flavio Cobolli 31 31
32 Jordan Thompson 32 32
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 33 33
Nuno Borges 34 34
Jan-Lennard Struff 35 35
Mariano Navone 36 36
Luciano Darderi 37 37
Jiri Lehecka 38 38
Tomas Machac 39 39
Tallon Griekspoor 40 40
Zhizhen Zhang 41 41
Adrian Mannarino 42 42
Pedro Martinez 43 43
Matteo Berrettini 44 44
Gael Monfils 45 45
Marcos Giron 46 46
Cameron Norrie 47 47
Lorenzo Sonego 48 48
Alex Michelsen 49 49
Brandon Nakashima 50 50
Fabian Marozsan 51 51
Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard 52 52
Yoshihito Nishioka 53 53
Miomir Kecmanovic 54 54
Roberto Carballes Baena 55 55
Arthur Rinderknech 56 56
Roman Safiullin 57 57
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 59 59
Pavel Kotov 60 60
Alexander Shevchenko 61 61
Rinky Hijikata 62 62
Hugo Gaston 63 63
Facundo Diaz Acosta 64 64
Jakub Mensik 65 65
Dusan Lajovic 66 66
Roberto Bautista Agut 67 67
Thiago Seyboth Wild 68 68
Corentin Moutet 69 69
James Duckworth 70 70
Fabio Fognini 71 71
Juncheng Shang 72 72
Sumit Nagal 73 73
Botic van de Zandschulp 74 74
Thiago Monteiro 75 75
Aleksandar Kovacevic 76 76
Pablo Carreno Busta 213 18 (PR)
Reilly Opelka 324 33 (PR)
Marin Cilic 1082 21 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Alexandre Muller 77 77
2 David Goffin 78 78
3 Federico Coria 79 79
4 Zizou Bergs 80 80
5 Marton Fucsovics 81 81
6 Damir Dzumhur 82 82
7 Dominik Koepfer 83 83
8 Jaume Munar 84 84
9 Emil Ruusuvuori 85 85
10 Thanasi Kokkinakis 86 86
11 Christopher O'Connell 87 87
12 Taro Daniel 88 88
13 Daniel Altmaier 89 89
14 Luca Nardi 90 90
15 Arthur Cazaux 91 91
16 Aleksandar Vukic 92 92
17 Camilo Ugo Carabelli 93 93
18 Thiago Agustin Tirante 94 94
19 Adam Walton 95 95
20 Yannick Hanfmann 96 96
Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Sebastian Ofner 58 58
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Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Jannik Sinner 1 1
2 Alexander Zverev 2 4
3 Carlos Alcaraz 3 3
4 Novak Djokovic 4 2
5 Daniil Medvedev 5 5
6 Andrey Rublev 6 6
7 Taylor Fritz 7 12
8 Casper Ruud 9 8
9 Grigor Dimitrov 10 9
10 Stefanos Tsitsipas 12 11
11 Tommy Paul 13 14
12 Holger Rune 14 15
13 Frances Tiafoe 15 20
14 Ben Shelton 17 13
15 Lorenzo Musetti 18 18
16 Ugo Humbert 19 17
17 Jack Draper 20 25
18 Felix Auger-Aliassime 21 19
19 Alejandro Tabilo 22 21
20 Alexei Popyrin 23 28
21 Arthur Fils 24 24
22 Sebastian Baez 25 23
23 Alexander Bublik 26 27
24 Karen Khachanov 27 22
25 Nicolas Jarry 28 26
26 Jordan Thompson 29 32
27 Francisco Cerundolo 31 29
28 Flavio Cobolli 32 31
29 Matteo Arnaldi 33 30
30 Tomas Machac 34 39
31 Tomas Martin Etcheverry 35 33
32 Brandon Nakashima 36 50
Jiri Lehecka 37 38
Tallon Griekspoor 39 40
Mariano Navone 40 36
Zhizhen Zhang 41 41
Luciano Darderi 42 37
Pedro Martinez 43 43
Adrian Mannarino 44 42
Matteo Berrettini 45 44
Gael Monfils 46 45
Marcos Giron 47 46
Alex Michelsen 49 49
Lorenzo Sonego 50 48
Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard 51 52
Juncheng Shang 52 72
Roberto Carballes Baena 54 55
Miomir Kecmanovic 55 54
Alexander Shevchenko 56 61
Facundo Diaz Acosta 57 64
Yoshihito Nishioka 59 53
Arthur Rinderknech 60 56
Roberto Bautista Agut 61 67
Jaume Munar 62 84
Pavel Kotov 63 60
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 64 59
David Goffin 65 78
Jakub Mensik 66 65
Botic van de Zandschulp 67 74
Roman Safiullin 69 57
Corentin Moutet 70 69
Alexandre Muller 71 77
James Duckworth 72 70
Aleksandar Kovacevic 73 76
Zizou Bergs 74 80
Rinky Hijikata 76 62
Hugo Gaston 77 63
Christopher O'Connell 79 87
Fabio Fognini 80 71
Sumit Nagal 83 73
Thiago Seyboth Wild 87 68
Luca Nardi 88 90
Taro Daniel 91 88
Arthur Cazaux 92 91
Damir Dzumhur 94 82
(SE) Yunchaokete Bu 96
(WC) Coleman Wong 134
(WC) Kei Nishikori 200
Pablo Carreno Busta 201 18 (PR)
Marin Cilic 212 21 (PR)
(WC) Stan Wawrinka 234
Reilly Opelka 307 33 (PR)
(WC) Yi Zhou 446
(WC) Yibing Wu 564
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Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Aleksandar Vukic 90 92
2 Adam Walton 95 95
3 Yannick Hanfmann 82 96
4 Borna Coric 98 98
5 Aslan Karatsev 139 99
6 Maximilian Marterer 106 100
7 Mattia Bellucci 103 101
8 Zachary Svajda 131 102
9 Lloyd Harris 118 103
10 Billy Harris 104 104
11 Denis Shapovalov 101 105
15 Laslo Djere 113 109
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Hubert Hurkacz 8 7
Alex de Minaur 11 10
Sebastian Korda 16 16
Nuno Borges 30 34
Jan-Lennard Struff 38 35
Fabian Marozsan 48 51
Cameron Norrie 53 47
Sebastian Ofner 58 58
Dusan Lajovic 68 66
Thiago Monteiro 75 75
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Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Yannick Hanfmann 82 96
2 Aleksandar Vukic 90 94
3 (WC) Adam Walton 95
4 Borna Coric 98 99
5 Mikhail Kukushkin 100 120
6 Denis Shapovalov 101 100
7 Mattia Bellucci 103 102
8 Billy Harris 104 101
9 Gabriel Diallo 105 103
10 Maximilian Marterer 106 104
11 Otto Virtanen 110 110
12 Chun-Hsin Tseng 117 123
13 Lloyd Harris 118 115
14 Zachary Svajda 131 112
15 Yasutaka Uchiyama 136 161
16 Marco Trungelliti 137 139
17 Aslan Karatsev 139 117
18 Ugo Blanchet 140 145
19 Seongchan Hong 141 141
20 Mitchell Krueger 142 142
21 Shintaro Mochizuki 146 146
22 Alejandro Moro Canas 153 147
23 Terence Atmane 161 138
24 Sho Shimabukuro 165 196
Mackenzie McDonald 172 149
Maks Kasnikowski 175 173
Daniel Evans 176 178
Alibek Kachmazov 179 251
Yu Hsiou Hsu 183 184
Alex Bolt 188 174
Benjamin Hassan 192 195
Li Tu 193 186
Beibit Zhukayev 196 200
Denis Yevseyev 197 210
Maxime Cressy 216 160
Aziz Dougaz 227 228
Yuta Shimizu 256 254
Yan Bai 263 272
Egor Gerasimov 268 257
Dalibor Svrcina 295 288
Vadym Ursu 305 299
Tung-Lin Wu 315 318
Illya Marchenko 316 306
Yosuke Watanuki 338 136 (PR)
(WC) Fajing Sun 353
(WC) Jie Cui 375
(WC) Rigele Te 603
(WC) Linang Xiao 818
Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 James McCabe 297 322
2 Ramkumar Ramanathan 335 332
4 Kris Van Wyk 385 381
6 Evgeny Donskoy 471 394
7 Nino Serdarusic 439 449
8 Blaise Bicknell 466 461
9 Yi Zhou 446 527
10 Stefanos Sakellaridis 507 539
11 Nam Hoang Ly 543 541
13 Nick Chappell 581 584
14 Ye Cong Mo 577 610
15 Arthur Weber 668 639
16 Wishaya Trongcharoenchaikul 617 698
17 Johan Nikles 703 702
18 Mikalai Haliak 742 728
19 Linang Xiao 818 821
20 Zhe Li 855 849
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Jaume Munar 62 74
David Goffin 65 64
Alexandre Muller 71 70
Zizou Bergs 74 72
Thanasi Kokkinakis 78 78
Christopher O'Connell 79 87
Luca Nardi 88 90
Max Purcell 89 89
Taro Daniel 91 92
Arthur Cazaux 92 88
Damir Dzumhur 94 86
Yunchaokete Bu 96 113
Coleman Wong 134 137
Radu Albot 144 134
Stefano Napolitano 149 144
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Entries
Seed Names Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Marcel Granollers / Horacio Zeballos 2 2
2 Marcelo Arevalo / Mate Pavic 7 7
3 Matthew Ebden / Joe Salisbury 16 16
4 Simone Bolelli / Andrea Vavassori 21 21
5 Rohan Bopanna / Ivan Dodig 31 31
6 Harri Heliovaara / Henry Patten 32 32
7 Neal Skupski / Michael Venus 37 37
8 Austin Krajicek / Rajeev Ram 39 39
Wesley Koolhof / Nikola Mektic 39 39
Nathaniel Lammons / Jackson Withrow 40 40
Santiago Gonzalez / Edouard Roger-Vasselin 46 46
Hugo Nys / Jan Zielinski 53 53
Sadio Doumbia / Fabien Reboul 59 59
Maximo Gonzalez / Andres Molteni 62 64
Sander Gille / Joran Vliegen 66 64
Rafael Matos / Marcelo Melo 71 72
Adam Pavlasek / Jean-Julien Rojer 80 80
Julian Cash / Lloyd Glasspool 81 80
Ariel Behar / Robert Galloway 85 85
Yuki Bhambri / Albano Olivetti 86 87
Tomas Machac / Zhizhen Zhang 101 83
Karen Khachanov / Andrey Rublev 236 29
Arthur Fils / Ben Shelton 357 42
Taylor Fritz / Holger Rune 493 21
Luciano Darderi / Alejandro Tabilo 502 63
Francisco Cerundolo / Tomas Martin Etcheverry 505 65
Ugo Humbert / Adrian Mannarino 1217 64
Alexander Bublik / Frances Tiafoe - 43
Pablo Carreno Busta / Pedro Martinez - 60
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Alternates (Advanced)
Names Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Petros Tsitsipas / Stefanos Tsitsipas 173 90
2 Jamie Murray / John Peers 93 92
3 Constantin Frantzen / Hendrik Jebens 92 94
4 Alexander Erler / John-Patrick Smith 107 106
6 Gonzalo Escobar / Diego Hidalgo 131 134
8 Evan King / Reese Stalder 163 160
9 Cristian Rodriguez / Matthew Christopher Romios 205 206
Withdrawals
Names Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Max Purcell / Jordan Thompson 15 15
Kevin Krawietz / Tim Puetz 26 26
by ti-amie Qualifying Draw
Y. Hanfmann (1) vs A. Bolt
D. Evans vs Y. Uchiyama (15)
A. Vukic (2) vs M. Cressy
D. Svrcina vs M. Krueger (20)
A. Walton (3) WC vs M. Kasnikowski
R. Te (WC) vs T. Atmane (23)
B. Coric (4) vs F. Sun (WC)
M. McDonald vs U. Blanchet (18)
M. Kukushkin (5) vs L. Tu
L. Xiao (WC) vs S. Mochizuki (21)
D. Shapovalov (6) vs Y. Hsu
D. Yevseyev vs S. Shimabukuro (24)
M. Bellucci (7) vs Y. Shimizu
A. Dougaz vs A. Karatsev (17)
B. Harris (8) vs V. Ursu
B. Zhukayev vs L. Harris (13)
G. Diallo (9) vs B. Hassan
J. Cui (WC) vs M. Trungelliti (16)
M. Marterer (10) vs E. Gerasimov
A. Kachmazov vs A. Moro Canas (22)
O. Virtanen (11) vs Y. Watanuki (PR)
I. Marchenko vs S. Hong (19)
C. Tseng (12) vs Y. Bai
T. Wu vs Z. Svajda (14)
by ti-amie Main Draw Singles
J. Sinner (1)/Bye
Qualifier vs T. Daniel
P. Carreno Busta (PR) vs B. van de Zandschulp
Bye/T. Etcheverry (31)
A. Fils (21)/Bye
R. Bautista Agut vs R. Carballes Baena
L. Sonego vs Qualifier
Bye/B. Shelton (14)
S. Tsitsipas (10)/Bye
K. Nishikori (WC) vs M. Navone
L. Nardi vs A. Muller
Bye/F. Auger-Aliassime (18)
M. Arnaldi (29)/Bye
A. Mannarino vs Qualifier
T. Seyboth Wild vs Qualifier
Bye/D. Medvedev (5)
C. Alcaraz (3)/Bye
J. Shang vs C. Wong (WC)
Y. Wu (WC) vs S. Nagal
Bye/N. Jarry (25)
S. Baez (22)/Bye
G. Monfils vs D. Dzumhur
M. Cilic (PR) vs A. Cazaux
Bye/U. Humbert (16)
T. Paul (11)/Bye
F. Fognini vs L. Darderi
R. Opelka (PR) vs A. Rinderknech
Bye/A. Tabilo (19)
T. Machac (30)/Bye
A. Davidovich Fokina vs Qualifier
Qualifier vs C. Moutet
Bye/C. Ruud (8)
Bottom Half
A. Rublev (6)/Bye
J. Mensik vs P. Martinez
Qualifier vs A. Shevchenko
Bye/F. Cerundolo (27)
A. Popyrin (20)/Bye
M. Kecmanovic vs R. Hijikata
Z. Zhang vs Z. Bergs
Bye/G. Dimitrov (9)
F. Tiafoe (13)/Bye
Y. Nishioka vs Y. Zhou (WC)
Qualifier vs R. Safiullin
Bye/A. Bublik (23)
F. Cobolli (28)/Bye
S. Wawrinka (WC) vs G. Mpetshi Perricard
A. Michelsen vs Y. Bu (SE)
Bye/N. Djokovic (4)
T. Fritz (7)/Bye
A. Kovacevic vs Qualifier
P. Kotov vs Qualifier
Bye/B. Nakashima (32)
J. Lehecka (33)/Bye
J. Munar vs H. Gaston
C. O'Connell vs M. Berrettini
Bye/H. Rune (12)
L. Musetti (15)/Bye
D. Goffin vs J. Duckworth
Qualifier vs M. Giron
Bye/K. Khachanov (24)
J. Thompson (26)/Bye
T. Griekspoor vs F. Diaz Acosta
Qualifier vs Qualifier
Bye/A. Zverev (2)
by ti-amie Wednesday 02 October, 2024 (Day 3)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
Y. Wu (WC) Vs S. Nagal
Followed By
G. Monfils Vs D. Dzumhur
Not Before 6:30 pm
J. Shang Vs (WC) C. Wong
Followed By
K. Nishikori (WC) Vs M. Navone
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm
P. Carreno Busta (PR) Vs B. van de Zandschulp
Followed By
M. Cilic (PR) Vs A. Cazaux
Not Before 3:00 pm
L. Sonego Vs (Q) D. Shapovalov
Followed By
A. Davidovich Fokina Vs (Q) G. Diallo
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm
R. Opelka (PR) Vs A. Rinderknech
Followed By
F. Fognini Vs L. Darderi
Not Before 3:00 pm
A. Mannarino Vs (Q) Z. Svajda
Followed By
E. Gerasimov (Q) Vs T. Daniel
COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm
L. Nardi Vs A. Muller
Followed By
R. Bautista Agut Vs R. Carballes Baena
Not Before 3:00 pm
A. Vukic (Q) Vs C. Moutet
Followed By
T. Seyboth Wild Vs (Q) D. Evans
by ashkor87 This is the fastest court on the tour, apparently. .Sinner should do well..
by ti-amie Thursday 03 October, 2024 (Day 4)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
Y. Nishioka Vs (WC) Y. Zhou
Followed By
C. O'Connell Vs M. Berrettini
Not Before 6:30 pm
Z. Zhang Vs Z. Bergs
Followed By
S. Wawrinka (WC) Vs G. Mpetshi Perricard
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm
M. Kecmanovic Vs R. Hijikata
Followed By
J. Mensik Vs P. Martinez
Followed By
P. Kotov Vs (Q) Y. Watanuki
Followed By
A. Kovacevic Vs (Q) T. Atmane
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm
D. Goffin Vs J. Duckworth
Followed By
T. Griekspoor Vs F. Diaz Acosta
Followed By
B. Zhukayev(Q) Vs R. Safiullin
Followed By
M. Bellucci (Q) Vs (LL) B. Harris
COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm
J. Munar Vs H. Gaston
Followed By
L. Tu (Q) Vs M. Giron
Followed By
R. Ramanathan (Q) Vs A. Shevchenko
by
ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:13 pm
I like that.
Old story.
One time, at one tournament, Mac and Lendl had to connect to the next tournament. Mac was flying commercial but was unable to make his flight. Lendl had chartered a plane. Reluctantly, Mac had to ask Lendl if he could hitch a ride, and Lendl said no problem.
Years later, Mac admitted that in that flight, he realized Lendl was a pretty cool guy. They never became friends, but Mac started respecting him more.
Not the story between Alcaraz and Sinner, but how quickly can things change when you actually talk to a person.
by ti-amie Friday 04 October, 2024 (Day 5)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
D. Shapovalov (Q) Vs (14) B. Shelton
Followed By
S. Tsitsipas (10) Vs (WC) K. Nishikori
Not Before 6:30 pm
T. Seyboth Wild Vs (5) D. Medvedev
Followed By
A. Vukic (Q) Vs (8) C. Ruud
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm
T. Paul (11) Vs F. Fognini
Followed By
S. Baez (22) Vs G. Monfils
Followed By
A. Fils (21) Vs R. Carballes Baena
Followed By
Y. Wu (WC) Vs (25) N. Jarry
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm
A. Muller Vs (18) F. Auger-Aliassime
Not Before 2:00 pm
A. Michelsen Vs (SE) Y. Bu
Followed By
A. Cazaux Vs (16) U. Humbert
Followed By
T. Machac (30) Vs A. Davidovich Fokina
COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm
A. Rinderknech Vs (19) A. Tabilo
Followed By
M. Arnaldi (29) Vs (Q) Z. Svajda
Followed By
B. van de Zandschulp Vs (31) T. Etcheverry
COURT 7
Starts at 12:30 pm
K. Khachanov/A. Rublev Vs (7) N. Skupski/M. Venus
Followed By
S. Gonzalez/E. Roger-Vasselin Vs A. Bublik/F. Tiafoe
Followed By
A. Krajicek/R. Ram (8) Vs R. Matos/M. Melo
COURT 6
Starts at 12:30 pm
M. Gonzalez/A. Molteni Vs H. Nys/J. Zielinski
Followed By
R. Bopanna/I. Dodig (5) Vs (PR) P. Carreno Busta/P. Martinez
by ashkor87 Tommy Paul is one American who should do well in this tournament - he has a good serve, a good service return, and moves well.. all requirements here..
by ponchi101 I think so too. And then he goes and loses in R3, and I wonder what is it he is missing.
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mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:42 pm
I think so too. And then he goes and loses in R3, and I wonder what is it he is missing.
Not a big mystery. His forehand is too spinny and lacks pace. Fast court masks this to a degree, but can't alleviate this completely.
by ashkor87 Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!
by
skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:15 pm
Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!
Ponchi is making fun of the prediction that Paul will do well, and eluding to one of our favourite subjects of Talk About Tennis - we are jinks - we have ruined careers just by being in the stands.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:15 pm
Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!
As skating says above, and I meant ANY 3R. Sure, he is alive, and next thing you know, he loses an inexplicable match.
I don't know about his FH being too spin-ny (@Mick).
by ti-amie Saturday 05 October, 2024 (Day 6)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
C. Alcaraz (3) Vs J. Shang
Followed By
J. Sinner (1) Vs T. Daniel
Not Before 6:30 pm
A. Michelsen Vs (4) N. Djokovic
Followed By
M. Bellucci (Q) Vs (2) A. Zverev
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm
A. Rublev (6) Vs J. Mensik
Followed By
T. Fritz (7) Vs (Q) T. Atmane
Followed By
F. Tiafoe (13) Vs (WC) Y. Zhou
Followed By
F. Cobolli (28) Vs (WC) S. Wawrinka
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm
A. Shevchenko Vs (27) F. Cerundolo
Followed By
Z. Bergs Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
M. Berrettini Vs (12) H. Rune
Followed By
L. Musetti (15) Vs D. Goffin
COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm
Y. Watanuki (Q) Vs (32) B. Nakashima
Followed By
A. Popyrin (20) Vs M. Kecmanovic
Followed By
R. Safiullin Vs (23) A. Bublik
Followed By
J. Thompson (26) Vs T. Griekspoor
COURT 7
Starts at 12:30 pm
L. Darderi/A. Tabilo Vs (Alt) P. Tsitsipas/S. Tsitsipas
Followed By
J. Lehecka (33) Vs J. Munar
Followed By
M. Giron Vs (24) K. Khachanov
Followed By
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs U. Humbert/A. Mannarino
COURT 6
Starts at 12:30 pm
A. Behar/R. Galloway Vs (WC) F. Sun/R. Te
Followed By
W. Koolhof/N. Mektic Vs A. Fils/B. Shelton
Followed By / after suitable rest
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry
Followed By
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs (6) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
by
ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:15 pm
Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!
And I saw him win Queens with my own eyes...your jinxes may have lost their potency?!
But I agree his forehand doesn't quite penetrate...
by ashkor87 De Minaur is the other quick-footed streak of lightning who could have done well, but I think he is still injured.. Tommy Paul is the only other one I can think of whose foot speed exceeds his overall capability..so should do better than his own average at Shanghai.
slow-footed hulks are many - Fritz, for instance.. who should NOT do well here.
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2024 5:21 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:15 pm
Which third round has he lost in? He is still alive in Shanghai!
And I saw him win Queens with my own eyes...your jinxes may have lost their potency?!
But I agree his forehand doesn't quite penetrate...
You do this with frequency.
Of course he won Queens. He is a fine player. But I think he should win 2-3 tournaments a year, and should be a permanent fixture in the second week of slams, even RG.
And he isn't. And I wonder why because I like his game and strokes and he moves well. So, I just don't know what is missing (although you guys are pointing it out).
by ashkor87 His volley is also not decisive enough..though he likes to volley ..tends to just pop it up in the middle of the court..
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2024 1:08 pm
His volley is also not decisive enough..though he likes to volley ..tends to just pop it up in the middle of the court..
That didn't stop Novak.
We always like to look for one stroke or one thing that the player does not do well. And you can see many champions that had technical issues on one stroke or the other. Edberg's FH was a really weak shot. 6 Slams. Evert's volleys were adequate, nothing more. You know the count. Becker's FH volley was hit with the wrong grip, Courier's BH was a very odd stroke.
Then you had perfect strikers like Laconte and currently Muchova, and they have no slams.
Plenty of players have been winners with some part of the game missing. Wilander. And his basic-skills net game.
by ashkor87 Very true. But all great players have a couple of great strengths..Paul doesn't...except for movement, I suppose...
by ti-amie Sunday 06 October, 2024 (Day 7)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
M. Arnaldi (29) Vs (5) D. Medvedev
Followed By
J. Sinner (1) Vs (31) T. Etcheverry
Not Before 6:30 pm
C. Alcaraz (3) Vs (WC) Y. Wu
Followed By
T. Paul (11) Vs (19) A. Tabilo
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm / TBF 4/3
T. Fritz (7) Vs (Q) T. Atmane
Followed By
S. Tsitsipas (10) Vs A. Muller
Followed By
R. Carballes Baena Vs (14) B. Shelton
Followed By
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (1) Vs (Alt) M. Reyes-Varela/J. Smith
Followed By / after suitable rest
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs U. Humbert/A. Mannarino
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm / TBF 3/6 4/2
Z. Bergs Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
M. Berrettini Vs (12) H. Rune
Followed By
G. Monfils Vs (16) U. Humbert
Followed By
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs (6) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
Followed By / after suitable rest
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs T. Machac/Z. Zhang
COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm / TBF 2/1
R. Safiullin Vs (23) A. Bublik
Followed By
F. Tiafoe (13) Vs (WC) Y. Zhou
Followed By
T. Machac (30) Vs (Q) A. Vukic
Followed By / after suitable rest
S. Doumbia/F. Reboul Vs (WC) A. Wang/Y. Zhou
COURT 7
Starts at 12:30 pm
F. Cobolli (28) Vs (WC) S. Wawrinka
Followed By / TBF 0/0
M. Giron Vs (24) K. Khachanov
Followed By
J. Cash/L. Glasspool Vs (3) M. Ebden/J. Salisbury
Followed By / after suitable rest TBF 0/0
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry
COURT 6
Starts at 12:30 pm
J. Thompson (26) Vs T. Griekspoor
Followed By
L. Musetti (15) Vs D. Goffin
Followed By
S. Gille/J. Vliegen Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
by ti-amie Monday 07 October, 2024 (Day 8)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:00 noon / TBF 4/3
R64
T. Fritz (7) Vs (Q) T. Atmane
Followed By / TBF 3/6 4/2
R64
Z. Bergs Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
R64
F. Tiafoe (13) Vs (WC) Y. Zhou
Not Before 6:30 pm
R64
M. Berrettini Vs (12) H. Rune
Followed By
R64
F. Cobolli (28) Vs (WC) S. Wawrinka
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:00 noon
S. Tsitsipas (10) Vs A. Muller
Not Before 1:00 pm / TBF 2/1
R64
R. Safiullin Vs (23) A. Bublik
Followed By
R32
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (1) Vs (Alt) M. Reyes-Varela/J. Smith
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
S. Doumbia/F. Reboul Vs (WC) A. Wang/Y. Zhou
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:00 noon
R32
G. Monfils Vs (16) U. Humbert
Not Before 1:00 pm
R64
J. Thompson (26) Vs T. Griekspoor
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs T. Machac/Z. Zhang
COURT 4
Starts at 12:00 noon
R32
R. Carballes Baena Vs (14) B. Shelton
Not Before 1:00 pm / TBF 0/0
R64
M. Giron Vs (24) K. Khachanov
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs U. Humbert/A. Mannarino
COURT 7
Starts at 12:00 noon
R32
T. Machac (30) Vs (Q) A. Vukic
Not Before 1:00 pm
R64
L. Musetti (15) Vs D. Goffin
Followed By
R32
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs (6) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
COURT 6
Starts at 12:00 noon
R32
S. Gille/J. Vliegen Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Followed By
R32
J. Cash/L. Glasspool Vs (3) M. Ebden/J. Salisbury
Followed By / TBF 0/0
R32
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry
by ashkor87 This bring an extreme case- a fast court, we can make some predictions- Paul, Tiafoe, will do well, Musetti, Fritz, Berrettini and other leaden-footed heavy hitters will not ..Sinner and Alcaraz are very quick, they will do well but that won't surprise anyone ..
by
mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:19 pm
This bring an extreme case- a fast court, we can make some predictions- Paul, Tiafoe, will do well, Musetti, Fritz, Berrettini and other leaden-footed heavy hitters will not ..Sinner and Alcaraz are very quick, they will do well but that won't surprise anyone ..
Musetti is an opposite of "leaden-footed". His problem with fast surfaces is of different nature: tendency to long backswings. I thought that he rectified it, given his good showing at Wimbledon. But maybe this time the reason for his loss is different, I did not see the match...
by ashkor87 I have seen Mussetti live..he is far from quick.
by ashkor87 Btw Shanghai is listed as the FASTEST court on the tour...though I wonder if this year Cincy might take that title...
by skatingfan Will it stop raining soon - they played matches today at an indoor facility to keep the tournament from really going off the schedule.
by ti-amie Tuesday 08 October, 2024 (Day 9)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
R32
S. Tsitsipas (10) Vs A. Muller
Followed By
R32
T. Fritz (7) Vs (Q) Y. Watanuki
Not Before 6:30 pm
R32
F. Cobolli (28) Vs (4) N. Djokovic
Followed By
R32
T. Griekspoor Vs (2) A. Zverev
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 12:30 pm
R32
G. Monfils Vs (16) U. Humbert
Followed By
R32
A. Popyrin (20) Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
R32
J. Lehecka (33) Vs (12) H. Rune
Followed By
R32
D. Goffin Vs M. Giron
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm
R32
J. Mensik Vs A. Shevchenko
Followed By
R32
R. Carballes Baena Vs (14) B. Shelton
Followed By
R32
F. Tiafoe (13) Vs R. Safiullin
Followed By
R16
R. Bopanna/I. Dodig (5) Vs W. Koolhof/N. Mektic
COURT 4
Starts at 12:30 pm
R32
T. Machac (30) Vs (Q) A. Vukic
Followed By
R32
S. Gille/J. Vliegen Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs U. Humbert/A. Mannarino
Followed By
R16
A. Krajicek/R. Ram (8) Vs S. Gonzalez/E. Roger-Vasselin
COURT 7
Starts at 12:30 pm
R32
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (1) Vs (Alt) M. Reyes-Varela/J. Smith
Followed By
R32
J. Cash/L. Glasspool Vs (3) M. Ebden/J. Salisbury
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs T. Machac/Z. Zhang
COURT 6
Starts at 12:30 pm / TBF 0/0
R32
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry
Followed By / after suitable rest
R32
S. Doumbia/F. Reboul Vs (WC) A. Wang/Y. Zhou
Followed By
R32
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs (6) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
by ashkor87 Tsitsi will not do well on this court...Med will like it..
by
mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:31 pm
Tsitsi will not do well on this court...Med will like it..
Nonetheless ST at least won two matches in a row, which did not happen since Olympics.
by
ashkor87 mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:51 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:31 pm
Tsitsi will not do well on this court...Med will like it..
Nonetheless ST at least won two matches in a row, which did not happen since Olympics.
i think he plays Medvedev next...
by mick1303 Absolutely not a given that Medvedev will win. He himself degraded quite a bit.
by
ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:32 pm
Absolutely not a given that Medvedev will win. He himself degraded quite a bit.
Battle of the "Could've beens" ?
by ti-amie Wednesday 09 October, 2024 (Day 10)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
J. Sinner (1) Vs (14) B. Shelton
Followed By
C. Alcaraz (3) Vs G. Monfils
Not Before 6:30 pm
R. Safiullin Vs (4) N. Djokovic
Followed By
D. Goffin Vs (2) A. Zverev
SHOW COURT 3
Starts at 1:00 pm
S. Tsitsipas (10) Vs (5) D. Medvedev
Not Before 2:00 pm
T. Paul (11) Vs (30) T. Machac
Followed By
J. Mensik Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Not Before 6:30 pm
T. Fritz (7) Vs (12) H. Rune
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 12:30 pm
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs S. Gille/J. Vliegen
Followed By
A. Behar/R. Galloway Vs J. Cash/L. Glasspool
Followed By
L. Darderi/A. Tabilo Vs A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer
Followed By
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (1) Vs (WC) J. Murray/J. Peers
Followed By
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs (WC) A. Wang/Y. Zhou
by ponchi101 That was intense.
And he did not toss the ball to serve it.
We are one bad temper away from somebody attacking an umpire. Good for Tiafoe that he apologized, but if he gets fined, he earned it.
by ti-amie I guess today was tantrum day in Shanghai
by Owendonovan Maybe Kyrigos ragging on the umps every chance he gets commentating to being quoted doesn't help.
by
Owendonovan Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:53 pm
Maybe Kyrigos ragging on the umps every chance he gets commentating to being quoted doesn't help either.
by JTContinental Francis is probably my favorite player on the men's tour, but I hate when people add "this isn't who I am" to an apology, when it was in fact who you were.
by
ashkor87 mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:32 pm
Absolutely not a given that Medvedev will win. He himself degraded quite a bit.
he has not sunk so low as to lose to ST on a fast court
by ashkor87 Rune vs Fritz is another interesting one...I don't much care for Rune but if the court is fast, he should win..they are both extreme cases..Rune is quick, Fritz is powerful but slow..it is in such matchups that peripheral forces like court speed will matter. We shall see!
by ashkor87 Well well..that didn't work out ..didn't see it though
by
ponchi101 The theory needs further refinement..
by ti-amie Thursday 10 October, 2024 (Day 11)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
W. Koolhof/N. Mektic Vs N. Lammons/J. Withrow
Not Before 3:00 pm
J. Sinner (1) Vs (5) D. Medvedev
Not Before 6:30 pm
C. Alcaraz (3) Vs (30) T. Machac
Followed By
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs M. Gonzalez/A. Molteni
GRANDSTAND 2
Starts at 13:00
S. Gonzalez/E. Roger-Vasselin Vs A. Behar/R. Galloway
Followed By
J. Murray/J. Peers (WC) Vs A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer
by Suliso Sinner had no issue with Medvedev either.
by
ponchi101 Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:38 am
Sinner had no issue with Medvedev either.
Yes, that "rivalry" has been turned around completely. Of course, Sinner is quite younger but it seems that right now, Medvedev has simply no answers to him.
Reminds me of Pete/Chang, and Roger/Hewitt & Roger/Nalbandian. An initial big lead and then, a total flip of the script.
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:19 pm
The theory needs further refinement..
Well, it only works for players who are evenly matched...these two weren't, clearly!
by
ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:38 am
Sinner had no issue with Medvedev either.
Only Alcaraz can trouble him here..and even there, Sinner would have the edge
by mick1303 Watched one youtuber yesterday, who made astute observation: The high of Alcaraz is higher than that one of Sinner, but the average of Sinner is higher than the average of Alcaraz. I'm afraid we will be subjected to the repeat of 2006-2007, when Nadal fans were drumming about "real #1" and elevated head-to-head to the significance it does not deserve (IMO).
by
Suliso ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:32 am
Only Alcaraz can trouble him here..and even there, Sinner would have the edge
Very surprisingly Alcaraz is not going to trouble anyone this week anymore.
by ashkor87 Machac is amazing.. I havent paid much attention to him.. powerful and quick, amazing reach, great touch at the net too..
by ponchi101 Problem for Alcaraz at the moment is that his game has a very large variance. Some days, he is Carlos Alcaraz. On others... well, he is Carlitos.
It is a bit odd.
I saw Machac play once. Really liked his style. Then again, he is a Czeck. He probably trains with Siniakova and Muchova (all court players).
by Suliso Let's see what he can do against Sinner.
by ponchi101 He has a chance. Not a huge one, but if he can beat Carlos, he must be playing well.
by
mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:51 pm
He has a chance. Not a huge one, but if he can beat Carlos, he must be playing well.
There is a reason player like Machac is outside top 30. His level of variance is even bigger (relatively) than that of Alcaraz. So the chances that he'll repeat such a good performance are not high.
by ti-amie Fri, 11 October, 2024 (Day 12)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 12:30 pm
SF
S. Gonzalez/E. Roger-Vasselin Vs W. Koolhof/N. Mektic
Not Before 3:00 pm
QF
T. Fritz (7) Vs D. Goffin
Not Before 6:30 pm
QF
J. Mensik Vs (4) N. Djokovic
by ashkor87 Goffin enjoying a resurgence..in conditions that suit him, though he is not as fleet-of-foot as he used to be .let us see what he can do against Fritz..40% chance?
by
ashkor87 mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:56 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:51 pm
He has a chance. Not a huge one, but if he can beat Carlos, he must be playing well.
There is a reason player like Machac is outside top 30. His level of variance is even bigger (relatively) than that of Alcaraz. So the chances that he'll repeat such a good performance are not high.
I think he is simply developing as a player .I remember Lendl was a bit like him .tall and rangy...he will do well, given time.
by mick1303 Lendl was/is 188. Machac is 183. Considering that average height of tennis players continues to rise each decade, this is a difference that makes us say that Lendl was tall for his time, while Machac is just of average height. But I agree that Machac will get better. He is just not there yet.
by Suliso Taylor Fritz has turned into a formidable player over the last two years. Now in his prime years. A Slam title is not very likely, but possible with some luck.
In general right now I don't see so much competition for Alcaraz and Sinner. Who's #3 and #4 near term potential wise (not counting Djokovic anymore) on tour anyway?
by ponchi101 I don't see anybody joining them as top 4 players.
Rune is too inconsistent and by now, he should have made more noise. Has done well in MS1000's but his slam resumem is very thin.
Ruud simply is too surface specific. He is very, very good on clay, good on hards. I don't know what he is missing but his shots are not forceful enough. He can win a French, but it would be because of a bit of luck and strategy.
Stephanos, Zverev, Medvedev and Rublev have plateau'd. Sure, they can win a slam (Daniil, of course, has) but I don't see them reaching higher rankings. Zverev prophetic words will haunt him: he was one of the million future # 1 that never made it to #1.
Fritz. What you say.
Tiafoe. Too erratic and his strokes are too unreliable.
Shelton. Has the shots, not the consistency.
I remain in my opinion. We are due for a lot of parity. Unless Jannik can sustain this level. Because notice how Alcaraz is fluctuating (he is still good for 10 slams).
by
Suliso You evaded the answer
Who's your 2025 year end #3 and #4 (assume Djokovic has retired for simplicity)?
by ashkor87 Still Medvedev and Zverev...
by
ponchi101 Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:37 pm
You evaded the answer
Who's your 2025 year end #3 and #4 (assume Djokovic has retired for simplicity)?
Remember how much I suck at predicting anything.
Zverev and ... Fritz?
by ti-amie Saturday 12 October, 2024 (Day 13)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 2:00 pm
SF
A. Pavlasek/J. Rojer Vs M. Gonzalez/A. Molteni
Not Before 4:30 pm
SF
J. Sinner (1) Vs (30) T. Machac
Not Before 7:00 pm
SF
N. Djokovic (4) Vs (7) T. Fritz
by jazzyg Alcaraz is going to win a lot more than 10 slams. 20 is the over/under in my view.
by
ponchi101 We really did get used to these three guys reaching that mark, didn't we?
I don't know. That is a lot of slams, implying a long career. I'll hedge at 14.
by ashkor87 Alcaraz will own the French Open almost the way Nadal did.that gives him about 10 right there. Plus 5-6 Wimbledons and a couple each of the AO and USO...close to 20..
I still don't like his serving action though, he could easily get his back injured...so how long will he last,? He is not built like a bull, as Nadal was..so maybe all this won't happen
by ashkor87 In any slam tournament, given that everyone takes it seriously, any of the 3 best players have a good chance...the rest, only an outside chance. I can see Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev and Zverev being there, the others, not so much. So Fritz has a chance but less than 10%..among Americans, I would say Korda, Michelsen, Shelton have more upside...as do Mensik and Machac.
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:57 am
Alcaraz will own the French Open almost the way Nadal did.that gives him about 10 right there. Plus 5-6 Wimbledons and a couple each of the AO and USO...close to 20..
I still don't like his serving action though, he could easily get his back injured...so how long will he last,? He is not built like a bull, as Nadal was..so maybe all this won't happen
Those are high expectations.
If he does that, it would mean, as you say, a career as accomplished as the careers of the Big Three. I am not ready to give him that level of confidence.
by ashkor87 He is as good as they are...let us see if he can manage his body, and career, as well as those 3 did
by ashkor87 Sinner vs Djokovic now...on the fastest court in the system ..Sinner should win...though Djokovic is very good on these too...just that he is no longer in his prime..
by ashkor87 I hope it is now clear to everyone that Fritz is not in the same class as Djokovic, Sinner, Alcaraz
by ponchi101 Since when has it not been clear? But that does not mean he is a poor player, or that he has not improved in the last years.
It is not just B&W. We have a lot of shades in this sport.
And he lost 4 & 6. Not like he was creamed on court, today.
by skatingfan I think with Fritz the mental scar tissue against Djokovic is very obvious. Up a mini-break in the tie-break and he double faults, and there were a couple of wayward forehands as well that just don't happen against most other players.
by
JTContinental ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:22 pm
I hope it is now clear to everyone that Fritz is not in the same class as Djokovic, Sinner, Alcaraz
I don't think a single person would argue against that.
That said, all three of the players you mentioned are currently in different classes.
by ti-amie Sunday 13 October, 2024 (Day 14)
STADIUM COURT
Starts at 2:00 pm / Doubles Final
F
M. Gonzalez/A. Molteni Vs W. Koolhof/N. Mektic
Not Before 4:30 pm / Singles Final
F
J. Sinner (1) Vs (4) N. Djokovic
by
ponchi101 JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:41 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:22 pm
I hope it is now clear to everyone that Fritz is not in the same class as Djokovic, Sinner, Alcaraz
I don't think a single person would argue against that.
That said,
all three of the players you mentioned are currently in different classes.
Please expand. I would say that Carlos and Sinner are in the same class.
Djokovic is in a different class forever.
by
JTContinental ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:59 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:41 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:22 pm
I hope it is now clear to everyone that Fritz is not in the same class as Djokovic, Sinner, Alcaraz
I don't think a single person would argue against that.
That said,
all three of the players you mentioned are currently in different classes.
Please expand. I would say that Carlos and Sinner are in the same class.
Djokovic is in a different class forever.
I feel like Carlos has had sustained success that Sinner has not yet had, plus isn't the verdict still out on whether or not Jannik's been doping?
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:31 pm
Since when has it not been clear? But that does not mean he is a poor player, or that he has not improved in the last years.
It is not just B&W. We have a lot of shades in this sport.
And he lost 4 & 6. Not like he was creamed on court, today.
People here keep thinking/hoping ..didn't you? That Fritz would beat Sinner at the USO? Fact is, he had no chance against Sinner
by
skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:23 am
People here keep thinking/hoping ..didn't you? That Fritz would beat Sinner at the USO? Fact is, he had no chance against Sinner
No one here thought Fritz was going to beat Sinner at the US Open - I don't think there any big Fritz fans here either.
by Suliso I wrote that Fritz is a very good player, maybe with a chance for a Slam title with some luck. Doesn't that clearly mean that he's a level below Sinner and Alcaraz???
Anyway a very tight much between the past champion and the current one. No break points in the first set (total points 36-37), but Jannik takes the tiebreak 7-4.
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:23 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:31 pm
Since when has it not been clear? But that does not mean he is a poor player, or that he has not improved in the last years.
It is not just B&W. We have a lot of shades in this sport.
And he lost 4 & 6. Not like he was creamed on court, today.
People here keep thinking/hoping ..didn't you? That Fritz would beat Sinner at the USO? Fact is, he had no chance against Sinner
Before the Open final, yes, I gave him a chance. Never said he would, I said he could.
And it is always easier to say he had no chance after the fact. Like when you gave Iga 65% chance of winning the USO, and now I could say that she never had a chance because she did not even make the semis. But, it is so easy to make predictions about the past.
As Suliso said. We are saying he is a good player and with some luck, he could win a slam (Botic does him a favor, and some other obscure factor happens). Hey, Andres Gomez is a slam winner, as is Gaston Gaudio. No reason why Fritz or somebody else can't catch a break.
(WADA wins their appeal and Jannik is suspended for the Aussie. And Carlitos losses to Botic and Novak to Popyrin).
by ponchi101 Sinner with a tough first set, then a reasonable second one.
He is gaining some separation.
My point. After Carlos won Wimby, he really looked like nothing was going to stop him. The RG final was well played, but the W final was a demolition of Novak, on one of his favorite courts. And then...
So, this sport changes in a snap. Will Sinner be the dominant guy for years to come? Maybe. On hard courts, he seems to really have reached a different level.
But this level of dominance has happened before, and it is so hard to sustain. That is all I think one can say.
by
Fastbackss ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:23 pm
Wonder whether he was required to switch to this shirt
by
ti-amie Fastbackss wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:04 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:23 pm
Wonder whether he was required to switch to this shirt
My guess is he was.
by
ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:25 pm
"Sorry, kid. Give me my 24 yo legs and you are carrying my bags."