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Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:18 am
by ponchi101
Wimbledon was the one that made the decision NOT to allow Russian and Belarusian players to play (in '22). These stops for Russian and Belarusian citizens come from the governments.
It is the sole difference, but a considerable one.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:55 am
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:18 am Wimbledon was the one that made the decision NOT to allow Russian and Belarusian players to play (in '22). These stops for Russian and Belarusian citizens come from the governments.
It is the sole difference, but a considerable one.
I suspect the UK government pressured Wimbledon..and the entire Tory upper class..
Anyway, what is the difference? If it was the tournament's decision, the tournament should be de-recogmized, as it was..if it was the country's decision, they should not be awarded a tournament..same result!

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:46 am
by Suliso
All of Eastern Europe except Hungary are strongly anti Russia. So no surprise here.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:42 am
by ashkor87
No surprise.. but is it fair? To kasatkina for instance?

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:51 am
by Owendonovan
Ultimately, the Russian population allowed Putin to run the show his way a long time ago. Sometimes, you have to pay a price for the poor choice your parents generation made. That's just life.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:13 pm
by Suliso
Life is not always fair. In many sports Russians are banned outright.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:13 pm
by ponchi101
The alternative is not so nice, either. Just play tournaments and allow Russians and Belarusians play as if nothing is happening is not a high moral ground.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:24 pm
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:13 pm The alternative is not so nice, either. Just play tournaments and allow Russians and Belarusians play as if nothing is happening is not a high moral ground.
Maybe ideally there would be no mention of nationality tied to the players careers, but between the Olympics, other team competitions, and funding that is tied to national sporting bodies that is probably an impractical solution.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:40 am
by tenniswizard
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Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:04 pm
by ti-amie
Making time for a quiet meal is very difficult especially for people with children who also have hectic schedules. I'm at the point now where I can carve out an hour twice a day to enjoy a meal.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:40 pm
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:04 pm Making time for a quiet meal is very difficult especially for people with children who also have hectic schedules. I'm at the point now where I can carve out an hour twice a day to enjoy a meal.
It strikes me as an extreme luxury and kind of idealizing this notion, as if all the generations before us were mindful eaters and we've let it go. They weren't. I doubt early humans were mindful eaters - they wolfed food to survive. The family dinner was more common in the past, but it doesn't mean they were eating mindfully. The ideal is somewhere in the middle.

I get the point - people, including myself, gobble bad food in our cars. But the answer isn't to find hours to make a spiritual connection to all the produce on my plate. If you can and want to, great. I don't want to spend my precious time that way. For me, mindful eating is planning and making smart decisions and enjoying the food and occasionally using food to gather people together. I tend to spend a lot more time cooking (on occasion, not daily) than eating. That connects me to it a little more.

Portions are out of control in the US. They have become spectacles totally unrelated to what we need or want.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:58 pm
by Suliso
I don't believe in any spiritual connection to food. However, I do believe in eating well if at all possible. We make time to cook 5-6 times per week.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:10 pm
by ponchi101
Until very recently, the vast majority of humans ATE TO SURVIVE.
There is a very good, evolutionary reason why we are omnivores. As small and weak and slow as we are (compared to other mammals), being able to eat anything and everything was a superb evolutionary advantage. Just think about how few species actually share that trait.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:21 pm
by ti-amie
It's not so much a spiritual connection with food. It's taking time to savor the process of eating itself. Paying attention to what you eat is part of it but it is a luxury and everyone can't indulge it.
The family dinner was a time for everyone to sit down and talk about their day, what's on their minds, and check in with each other. With parents working late hours and if they live in the burbs having an hour or more to commute home, with kids having sports practice or academic studies that are more and more computer based the idea of having time to sit around the table to just talk does sound odd. Some cultures manage to do it and others struggle with it.

Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:42 am
by tenniswizard