Talk About Tennis 2.0

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:10 am https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/wt ... mova-maria

Interesting that none of the Russians lose much ground when the rankings are adjusted with Wimbledon points, except Rybakina. Tatjana Maria is hurt the most, as she'll miss out on a seeding at the Australian Open, probably the French, and tour-event cutoffs.

The "alternate universe" rankings would certainly be interesting.
However.
Let's not forget that there was indeed a reason, and a good one, not to award points. EVERYBODY, and especially here at this forum, was in agreement that banning the participation of Russian and Belarussian INDIVIDUAL players was a wrong move by the LTA and, especially, the AELTC. It was unfair and it was detrimental to the sport. And that there was only one thing that the ATP/WTA/ITF could do, because the AELTC is so powerful and there was no way the players would boycott Wimbledon.
And that was take away the points.
Yes, it was and is a completely mess. But there was a reason.

Rankings in general are nothing more than interesting! Re what Wimbledon did, my impression is they bowed to pressure from their Tory government, which they need not have done..their main concern apparently was that Princess Kate should not be seen giving a trophy to a Russian..it was all about their own prissy propriety and image, no human calculation was involved, so I think the whole mess could have been avoided if they had thought about the players instead of their precious princess.

Rankings certainly don't mean much in the highly charged atmosphere of Davis Cup...#45 Sonego is beating everyone as if he is #1 in the world!

I just noticed that Ben Shelton is already ranked in the top 100, so I took a look at his record and he has won the last three challengers he has played.

Medvedev will be outside the top 10 after this loss.

In the AO QFs on the women's side, exactly 4 out of 8 were won by the higher ranked player...so ranking was about as good a predictor as a coin toss. Which is what I have always said..

And we have asked. What would you replace it with? Should seedings be done as in the past, by a tournament committee? Should all seedings be done at random?
Look at the Predictions contest. We have an AI there (sort of AI): it picks the highest ranked player always to win. The AI does better than the average, always.

Of course, Elo did no better...
I am not saying rankings need to be replaced by some other metric..all I am saying is, they are not good predictors.. they do not predict, they only report. For those familiar with finance, I always say it is like finance versus accounting.

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:30 am Of course, Elo did no better...
I am not saying rankings need to be replaced by some other metric..all I am saying is, they are not good predictors.. they do not predict, they only report. For those familiar with finance, I always say it is like finance versus accounting.

Ok. I swear this is the first time I hear you say that. But, a very good metaphor. I can live with that.

I don't think it's been noted so far here, but whoever wins the men's final will over take Alcaraz for world #1 on Monday.

Carlitos also talked about it. He said it would be deservingly so.

FYI, the ATP site has added live rankings to their site. They have both, the rankings as they always have them updated after tournaments each week and then a separate tab that lists the live rankings that includes real time results.