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Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:39 pm
by ti-amie
Did anyone watch the match because...
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:42 pm
by ponchi101
Match is still going. But Stefanos clearly smacked a ball towards his box, and since Apostolos won't stop talking, Julia tapped him on the shoulder in a clear "STFU" gesture.
Another person in the box too.
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:54 pm
by ponchi101
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:59 pm
You posted a similar post in the RANKINGS topic, and I answered there.
So, copy paste here
:
I will bet you two dog-chewed balls Novak won't win
Paris is a court that favors him a lot, and yet he could not win. To me, the problem now for Rafa and Novak is the recovery time; if they have one tough match, specially a late one, they don't have the time to come back. It is the reason they are still so dominant at Slams (with the days-off schedule) but have come down to earth, slightly, on the regular tour.
Having said that:
Rafa: won't win. Not his place.
Tsitsipas: As good a chance as anybody else.
Ruud. Not his favorite surface.
Medvedev: Good chances. He likes indoor fast.
FAA: very good chances. He LOVES indoor fast.
Rublev: The one guy that should withdraw so that Rune can get in. Zero chance.
Novak: Contradicting myself here. Betting against him seldom pays off.
Fritz: good fast court player, has some very good strokes, then he fizzles. Or Fritzzles?
Rune: He would not win it; but he would not go 0-3.
You know what, P? Shut up. Really.
(That was a glorious analysis. Especially the Rublev part).
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:27 pm
by JazzNU
Absolutely shocked Rublev won. He was so damn grumpy in the first set, didn't seem to be nearly dialed in enough to pull it out.
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:30 pm
by ti-amie
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:52 pm
by ti-amie
JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:27 pm
Absolutely shocked Rublev won. He was so damn grumpy in the first set, didn't seem to be nearly dialed in enough to pull it out.
Oleg S. @AnnaK_4ever
Before you ask, no, this is not taken out of context.
To make it even more salty, Stef began this whole tirade with "I mean, he's a good returner. Nothing to take away from him. He played a lot of returns in."
Tennis Majors
@Tennis_Majors
Tsitsipas : "It's a shame. I feel like the better player. I felt like I could do more with the ball today. I felt like I could just be much more creative, quite obvious. He prevailed with the few tools that he has. He was able to really take advantage of them and win today."
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:32 pm
by JTContinental
I'm assuming everyone had already penciled Fritz and Rublev into the semifinals
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:42 pm
by JTContinental
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:14 pm
Someone graciously identified all of them in the comments
1 Robredo, 2 Tsonga, 3 Simon, 4 Soares, 5 Tecau, 6 Stakhovsky, 7 Lindstedt, 8 Marrero, 9 Nielsen, 10 Skupski, 11 Kohlschreiber
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:24 am
by ponchi101
Stefanos is really good at making friends.
"The few tools he has".
What does that say about YOUR toolkit?
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:43 am
by Deuce
Tommy Robredo is retiring?!!!!?
He's been around since about when Borg was playing Junior tennis.
Tommy's got to be about 73 years old now - give or take a year.
I would wish him all the best - but we know that he'll be back.
This guy will play until he's 100 - at least.
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:00 am
by ashkor87
It is sometimes better to have fewer tools ..it used to be said of Rosie Casals that she had so many options on every ball she would confuse herself..I don't know if it was really true but it can happen...focus has value in itself!
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:43 am
by ponchi101
Indeed. Sometimes, the decision making process is too complex.
Remember Laconte and Mandlikova. If you gave Laconte a deep ball down the middle, he had 5-6 options. Too much. Mandlikova had that issue at the net; which volley to hit was always a challenge, although most of the times she made them.
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:54 am
by Deuce
That was Arazi's problem - he was too naturally gifted, and so could hit almost any shot from anywhere on the court - which to choose?
I see a similar pattern in Musetti today.
Also, when you have the natural talent to have more options than your opponents, it can get into your ego - thinking 'I'm obviously better than him/her, so I'll win' - and, as a result, you don't give 100%.
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:54 am
by JazzNU
Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:03 am
by ti-amie
