Talk About Tennis 2.0

Time to start his topic.

LEADERBOARD
https://www.nextgenatpfinals.com/

1 ESP Carlos Alcaraz Withdrawn 6460
2 Jannik Sinner ITA Withdrawn 2310


3 Lorenzo Musetti ITA 1356
4 Holger Rune DEN 1338
5 Jack Draper GBR 925
6 Brandon Nakashima USA 867
7 Jiri Lehecka CZE 610
8 Chun-Hsin Tseng TPE 490
9 Francesco Passaro ITA 441
10 Dominic Stricker SUI 390
11 Luca Nardi ITA 385
12 Filip Misolic AUT 370
13 Timofey Skatov KAZ 343
14 Matteo Arnaldi ITA 341
15 Ben Shelton USA 330
16 Giulio Zeppieri ITA 328

ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:07 pm LEADERBOARD
https://www.nextgenatpfinals.com/

1 ESP Carlos Alcaraz Withdrawn 6460
2 Jannik Sinner ITA Withdrawn 2310


3 Lorenzo Musetti ITA 1356
4 Holger Rune DEN 1338
5 Jack Draper GBR 925
6 Brandon Nakashima USA 867
7 Jiri Lehecka CZE 610
8 Chun-Hsin Tseng TPE 490
9 Francesco Passaro ITA 441
10 Dominic Stricker SUI 390
11 Luca Nardi ITA 385
12 Filip Misolic AUT 370
13 Timofey Skatov KAZ 343
14 Matteo Arnaldi ITA 341
15 Ben Shelton USA 330
16 Giulio Zeppieri ITA 328

They are caught between having LEGITIMATE next generation players and needing to have some recognizable names who have been around for a few years, and who are no longer of the next generation, but are of the current generation.

What are the official criteria actually? Outside the top 10 and 21 and under?

Outside the top 10, under 21, and still not that good?

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:37 pm Outside the top 10, under 21, and still not that good?

Damn dude.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:43 pm

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:37 pm Outside the top 10, under 21, and still not that good?

Damn dude.

You have to be dating an influencer, too.

Serious here. What happens if all of the sudden, the Next Gen moves up and we have 18 yo Slam champions happening again, as when Becker and Edberg won Wimby and the Aussie at 17? How does it look when the Next Gen champion is OLDER than the current #1, which could happen this year? Musetti, Brooksby and Draper are older than Carlitos.
Do we go for UNDER 18, then? Because that is the Juniors.
Was this event created solely to respond to the oddity of Roger/Rafa/Nole being so dominant for so long, at older ages? And now, it becomes meaningless?

Good question. It seems the WTA has quietly retired its Elite Cup or whatever it was called. The ATP may end up doing the same thing.

The fact it states that Alcaraz withdrew means that he qualifies for 'Next Gen' - also meaning that they don't have to be outside of the top 10.
Musetti has been around long enough on the tour that I certainly consider him part of the current crop, not the 'next gen'...

I doubt there is any official criteria for entry - or, if there is, I think it's largely ignored. They'll take whoever they can get at this point.

As for the purpose of the 'next gen' event... well, I think that's rather obviou$.

Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:20 pm The fact it states that Alcaraz withdrew means that he qualifies for 'Next Gen' - also meaning that they don't have to be outside of the top 10.
Musetti has been around long enough on the tour that I certainly consider him part of the current crop, not the 'next gen'...

I doubt there is any official criteria for entry - or, if there is, I think it's largely ignored. They'll take whoever they can get at this point.

As for the purpose of the 'next gen' event... well, I think that's rather obviou$.

The ATP site says

Updated after every match completes, the Pepperstone ATP Live Race To Milan is a calendar-year points race of players aged 21 and under throughout the year that determines who qualifies for the eight-player Intesa Sanpaolo Next Gen ATP Finals.

The eight players aged 21 and younger before the end of the year with the most ATP ranking points qualify unless, of course, they withdraw and are replaced with the ninth player and then tenth, etc. I'm not aware of any deviation from those criteria in previous Next Gen ATP Finals.

And the purpose of all ATP and WTA tennis events is just as "obviou$." Isn't that the purpose of all professional sports? So if it doesn't make money they might drop it.

3mlm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:21 am

Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:20 pm The fact it states that Alcaraz withdrew means that he qualifies for 'Next Gen' - also meaning that they don't have to be outside of the top 10.
Musetti has been around long enough on the tour that I certainly consider him part of the current crop, not the 'next gen'...

I doubt there is any official criteria for entry - or, if there is, I think it's largely ignored. They'll take whoever they can get at this point.

As for the purpose of the 'next gen' event... well, I think that's rather obviou$.

The ATP site says

Updated after every match completes, the Pepperstone ATP Live Race To Milan is a calendar-year points race of players aged 21 and under throughout the year that determines who qualifies for the eight-player Intesa Sanpaolo Next Gen ATP Finals.

The eight players aged 21 and younger before the end of the year with the most ATP ranking points qualify unless, of course, they withdraw and are replaced with the ninth player and then tenth, etc. I'm not aware of any deviation from those criteria in previous Next Gen ATP Finals.

And the purpose of all ATP and WTA tennis events is just as "obviou$." Isn't that the purpose of all professional sports? So if it doesn't make money they might drop it.

While one goal of regular tournaments is to make money, the ‘Next Gen’ thing, the ‘ATP Cup’, the ‘Laver Cup’, the upcoming ‘United Cup’, etc., etc. - are all new, they are full of gimmicks, they screw around with the rules and scoring systems, and are all, in my mind, certainly money-making exhibitions first and foremost.
As such, they are very different from regular tournaments.

Thanks for looking up the 'next gen' criteria, though.

I think the top 2 qualifiers bailing speaks volumes about the importance they feel this tourney is.

Well, but different tournaments mean different things for all players. For Carlitos or Jannik, this does not mean much. For Rune or Draper, it might mean more.
It is like local tournaments. I am sure that the Tallin tournament means more to Kontaveit than all other tournaments, excluding Slams. Cami said it: one of her dreams was winning the WTA Bogota.
I say that this was one of those over reactions to the extra long dominance of the Big 3. We will see younger champions again. Not necessarily at 18, but yes at 20. And it might be soon.

Owendonovan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:52 pm I think the top 2 qualifiers bailing speaks volumes about the importance they feel this tourney is.

They would probably be embarrassed to take up a spot in this event AND the bigger Turin final. Better to give their spots in the Milan event to another young player who would qualify. They don't need this event, but some other young gun does.