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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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skatingfan wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:18 pm
ti-amie wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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skatingfan wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:17 pm Rybakina seemed to deal with the wind better than Sabalenka.

I don't think I'll ever complain about someone overdoing it again after winning after watching Rybakina celebrate a big win like she just finished the warm-up.
The main reason I like her. She does not celebrate like "I'm the greatest thing on Earth". She celebrates like:
"Yep. I won. I'm good".
We will be in a good run for #1 this year. And don't count out Krejcikova.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Their banter back and forth was fun, especially when Aryna said this won't happen again
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Alcaraz is faster and more dynamic and spectacular... but Medvedev is more thoughtful and intelligent and experienced.
It's an interesting contrast.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ponchi101 wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:57 pm The main reason I like her. She does not celebrate like "I'm the greatest thing on Earth". She celebrates like:
"Yep. I won. I'm good".
I'm not sure that we can make that assessment - we've seen too many 'yep I'm good' from people who really weren't - doesn't mean this is true for Rybakina, but it just seems odd to be that nonchalant about these major career accomplishments.
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Good grief. That was an ass kicking.
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Alcarez putting on a show of dominance.
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That was surprisingly quick (1 hour, 10 minutes) and easy.
Well deserved.
Let's be a little careful with the talk of the #1 ranking, though, as his main competition for that spot has been voluntarily handicapped.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Fastbackss wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:18 pm [

Their banter back and forth was fun, especially when Aryna said this won't happen again
Well, the cliché winners line of "I know we'll play in many more finals" at AO did come true pretty quickly.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ti-amie wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
They do when it's Feli Lopez in Madrid... must be for their tennis accolades
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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We are seeing the emergence of a 'big 3' among the women now...Sabalenka/Swiatek/Rybakina...not just on hardcourts, I mean..the order between them can change in clay, grass etc but these 3 seem to have pulled several lengths clear of the field...
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Indian Wells 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ashkor87 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:12 am if only to test the theory that the court surface/speed matters:
I would expect the following (let us see how it works out)
since IW and Miami are typically much slower than any other hard court on the planet,
1. Swiatek will dominate again
2. Sabalenka, Rybakina and Anisimova will do well - so will Badosa (though not as well)
3. Raducanu, Leylah, Garcia, Gauff and Pegula will not - the court wlll be too slow for them.
4. I would venture to guess that even Krejcikova will find conditions too slow.
I never know with Bencic - she really should not do well here but she will somehow find a way!

On the men's side, it is harder to say because of the uncertainty around Djokovic..
1. Fritz, Berretini, Alcaraz will do well
2. Medvedev, FAA and Sinner will not

any thoughts?
Well, Miami is still to happen but at the halfway point, doesn't look very wrong. Medvedev and Sinner did much better than I expected but Alcaraz did turn out to be the best..
Swiatek did dominate until the semis and Rybakina and Sabalenka lived up to my expectations. Anisimova did not...
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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^ Or maybe the players who did well at Indian Wells did well because they are very good tennis players who have been playing well this year.

I'd say that Felix did well - he lost in the quarters to Alcaraz, who is top 3 in the world. Medvedev and Sinner did well, too, despite your predicting that none of these three would do well because of the (sigh...) court speed.
Berrettini was gone early, despite you predicting he'd do well...
Fritz made the quarters, where he lost to a player of roughly the same calibre in Sinner - I'd say that's a lukewarm result.

Raducanu had her best tournament in a long while, and turned some heads. She lost to the #1 player in the world. I'd say her tournament qualifies as a 'did well'.
Leylah lost a fairly tight match to Garcia. I didn't think Leylah would do well here, either - and that had nothing to do with (sigh...) court speed.
Garcia was a disappointment, losing to Cirstea... Garcia's winning percentage on clay is better than her winning percentage on hard court - so why didn't she do well here on a slow, gritty hard court surface that plays 'like the speed of clay'?
Pegula's tournament was disappointing, as well, losing to Kvitova. Kvitova has done well on the much faster grass of Wimbledon, and had 1 win and 4 losses on clay last year - so why did she beat Pegula on these slow courts? Maybe she simply played better on that day (it was an extremely close match, with Pegula having match points).
Gauff didn't have a particularly tough draw before she lost, and she lost in the quarters to Sabalenka. Not a bad loss (though she did lose that match badly).
Krejcikova lost a close match to eventual Finalist Sabalenka. Not a bad loss, just one of those things that happens when you get a tough draw (tough because she met Sabalenka before the quarters). Krejcikova's winning percentage on clay (slow) is better than her winning percentage on any other surface, while Sabalenka's winning percentage on clay is worse than on any other surface. So Sabalenka beating Krejcikova here (which you more or less predicted) would certainly seem to go against your theory of (sigh...) court speed.

Picking Alcaraz, Swiatek, Rybakina, and Sabalenka to do well here was basically a no-brainer. Those three women have been the best female players this year by a good margin. And Alcaraz is always going to be in the conversation for any title.

In the end, I submit again that 95% of the time, court speed is not a significant or determining factor in who will do well at a given tournament, or of who will win a given match. Because these players are very good tennis players, and because they can adapt to any court speed.
And that any player in the top 20 is capable of beating any other player in the top 20 * - not based on the speed of the court, but based simply on who is playing better on that day, or week, or month, which has nothing to do with court speed in my opinion.

* - Except when playing Djokovic, Alcaraz, Medvedev, and Nadal (when he is healthy). Beating these players (on any surface or court speed) is extremely difficult. Not impossible, but very difficult.
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