by ti-amie Tournament: ROLEX MONTE-CARLO MASTERS
Location: Monte Carlo, Monaco
Dates: 7 April - 14 April, 2024
Tier: ATP M1000
Surface: Clay
Prize: €5,950,575
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Jannik Sinner 3 3
4 Daniil Medvedev 4 4
5 Alexander Zverev 5 6
6 Andrey Rublev 6 5
7 Holger Rune 7 7
8 Casper Ruud 8 9
9 Hubert Hurkacz 9 8
10 Alex de Minaur 10 10
11 Stefanos Tsitsipas 11 11
12 Grigor Dimitrov 12 13
13 Taylor Fritz 13 12
14 Tommy Paul 14 17
15 Ugo Humbert 15 14
16 Karen Khachanov 16 15
Alexander Bublik 18 20
Sebastian Baez 19 19
Adrian Mannarino 20 21
Francisco Cerundolo 21 22
Nicolas Jarry 23 24
Lorenzo Musetti 24 26
Jan-Lennard Struff 25 25
Tallon Griekspoor 26 27
Jiri Lehecka 27 32
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 28 23
Sebastian Korda 29 29
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 30 30
Cameron Norrie 31 28
Borna Coric 33 35
Jordan Thompson 34 33
Laslo Djere 35 36
Felix Auger-Aliassime 36 31
Arthur Fils 37 43
Matteo Arnaldi 38 40
Roman Safiullin 39 42
Sebastian Ofner 40 38
Jack Draper 42 37
Daniel Evans 43 45
Alejandro Tabilo 44 39
Alexei Popyrin 45 41
Miomir Kecmanovic 46 47
Emil Ruusuvuori 48 46
Rafael Nadal 647 9 (PR)
Marin Cilic 1047 21 (PR)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Marcos Giron 51 48
2 Dominik Koepfer 50 49
3 Zhizhen Zhang 49 50
4 Alexander Shevchenko 58 51
5 Facundo Diaz Acosta 55 52
6 Daniel Altmaier 54 53
7 Gael Monfils 47 54
8 Lorenzo Sonego 53 55
9 Dusan Lajovic 52 56
10 Yannick Hanfmann 56 57
11 Fabian Marozsan 57 58
12 Mariano Navone 59 59
13 Nuno Borges 61 60
14 Andy Murray 62 61
15 Flavio Cobolli 63 62
16 Tomas Machac 60 63
17 Roberto Carballes Baena 64 64
18 Thiago Seyboth Wild 76 65
19 Christopher O'Connell 66 66
20 Pavel Kotov 67 67
by ti-amie Qualifying Entry Lists
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Zhizhen Zhang 49 49
2 Dominik Koepfer 50 50
3 Dusan Lajovic 52 52
4 Lorenzo Sonego 53 53
5 Daniel Altmaier 54 54
6 Facundo Diaz Acosta 55 55
7 Yannick Hanfmann 56 56
8 Fabian Marozsan 57 57
9 Alexander Shevchenko 58 58
10 Mariano Navone 59 59
11 Tomas Machac 60 60
12 Andy Murray 62 62
13 Flavio Cobolli 63 63
14 Roberto Carballes Baena 64 64
Aleksandar Vukic 65 65
Christopher O'Connell 66 66
Pavel Kotov 67 67
Jakub Mensik 70 70
Jaume Munar 72 72
Alex Michelsen 73 73
Arthur Cazaux 74 74
Luciano Darderi 75 75
Botic van de Zandschulp 77 77
Matteo Berrettini 142 74 (PR)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Luca Van Assche 80 80
2 Arthur Rinderknech 82 82
3 Stan Wawrinka 83 83
4 Daniel Elahi Galan 84 84
5 Alexandre Muller 85 85
6 Marton Fucsovics 86 86
7 Federico Coria 87 87
8 Pedro Martinez 88 88
9 Hugo Gaston 89 89
10 Dominic Thiem 90 90
11 Constant Lestienne 93 93
12 Luca Nardi 96 96
13 Sumit Nagal 97 97
14 Roberto Bautista Agut 100 100
15 Maximilian Marterer 102 102
16 Fabio Fognini 103 103
17 Cristian Garin 104 104
18 Albert Ramos-Vinolas 105 105
19 David Goffin 106 106
20 Corentin Moutet 107 107
by ti-amie Michal Samulski
@MichalSamulski
Monte-Carlo Masters draw is just 2 weeks away.
The ceremony will take place on Friday 5 April at 6.00 pm and will be broadcast live on Monaco Info as well as on tournament's Facebook.
by ti-amie Main Draw Singles
N. Djokovic (1)/Bye
R. Safiullin vs Qualifier
A. Fils vs A. Mannarino
L. Musetti vs T. Fritz (13)
A. de Minaur (11) vs S. Wawrinka (WC)
D. Koepfer vs T. Griekspoor
A. Popyrin vs Qualifier
Bye/A. Rublev (6)
C. Alcaraz (3)/Bye
F. Auger-Aliassime vs Qualifier
Z. Zhang vs M. Giron
Qualifier vs U. Humbert (14)
H. Hurkacz (10) vs J. Draper
J. Lehecka vs Qualifier
A. Tabilo vs Qualifier
Bye/C. Ruud (8)
A. Zverev (5)/Bye
D. Evans vs S. Ofner
N. Jarry vs T. Etcheverry
L. Djere vs S. Tsitsipas (12)
K. Khachanov (15) vs C. Norrie
F. Cerundolo vs Qualifier
G. Monfils (WC) vs J. Thompson
Bye/D. Medvedev (4)
H. Rune (7)/Bye
M. Arnaldi vs E. Ruusuvuori
M. Kecmanovic vs M. Berrettini (WC)
V. Vacherot (WC) vs G. Dimitrov (9)
A. Bublik (16) vs B. Coric
J. Struff vs S. Baez
S. Korda vs A. Davidovich Fokina
Bye/J. Sinner (2)
by ti-amie Qualifying Draw Singles
Y. Hanfmann (1) vs H. Gaston
B. van de Zandschulp vs J. Munar (11)
D. Altmaier (2) vs L. Van Assche
C. Moutet (Alt) vs A. Michelsen (10)
F. Diaz Acosta (3) vs D. Schwartzman (WC)
S. Nagal vs F. Cobolli (8)
A. Shevchenko (4) vs F. Coria
H. Nys (WC) vs A. Rinderknech (14)
D. Lajovic (5) vs A. Muller
L. Pouille (WC) vs L. Nardi (13)
C. O'Connell (6) vs M. Marterer (Alt)
L. Catarina (WC) vs A. Vukic (9)
L. Sonego (7) vs F. Fognini (Alt)
D. Thiem vs A. Cazaux (12)
by ti-amie Sat, 06 April, 2024 (Day 1)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 11:00 am
Q1
L. Pouille (WC) Vs (13) L. Nardi
Followed By
Q1
F. Diaz Acosta (3) Vs (WC) D. Schwartzman
Followed By
Q1
D. Thiem Vs (12) A. Cazaux
Not Before 5:00 pm
Q1
L. Sonego (7) Vs (Alt) F. Fognini
Court des Princes
Starts at 11:00 am
Q1
S. Nagal Vs (8) F. Cobolli
Followed By
Q1
C. Moutet (Alt) Vs (10) A. Michelsen
Followed By
Q1
D. Altmaier (2) Vs L. Van Assche
Not Before 5:00 pm
Q1
L. Catarina (WC) Vs (9) A. Vukic
Court 2
Starts at 11:00 am
Q1
Y. Hanfmann (1) Vs H. Gaston
Followed By
Q1
H. Nys (WC) Vs (14) A. Rinderknech
Followed By
Q1
C. O'Connell (6) Vs (Alt) M. Marterer
Court 9
Starts at 11:00 am
Q1
D. Lajovic (5) Vs A. Muller
Followed By
Q1
A. Shevchenko (4) Vs F. Coria
Court 11
Starts at 1:00 pm
Q1
B. van de Zandschulp Vs (11) J. Munar
by ti-amie Sun, 07 April, 2024 (Day 2)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 11:00 am
Q2
A. Muller Vs (13) L. Nardi
Not Before 1:00 pm
J. Struff Vs S. Baez
Followed By
A. Bublik (16) Vs B. Coric
Followed By
L. Musetti Vs (13) T. Fritz
Court des Princes
Starts at 11:00 am
Q2
Y. Hanfmann (1) Vs (11) J. Munar
Not Before 1:00 pm
Q2
L. Sonego (7) Vs (Alt) R. Bautista Agut
Not Before 2:00 pm
D. Koepfer Vs T. Griekspoor
Followed By
D. Medvedev/R. Safiullin Vs K. Khachanov/A. Rublev
Court 2
Starts at 11:00 am
Q2
F. Coria Vs (14) A. Rinderknech
Not Before 1:00 pm
Q2
D. Altmaier (2) Vs (Alt) C. Moutet
Not Before 2:00 pm
G. Dimitrov/S. Korda Vs M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Court 9
Starts at 11:00 am
Q2
F. Diaz Acosta (3) Vs S. Nagal
Not Before 1:00 pm
Q2
C. O'Connell (6) Vs (9) A. Vukic
by ti-amie Mon, 08 April, 2024 (Day 3)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 11:00 am
F. Auger-Aliassime Vs (Q) L. Nardi
Followed By
V. Vacherot (WC) Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
L. Djere Vs (12) S. Tsitsipas
Followed By
K. Khachanov (15) Vs C. Norrie
Court des Princes
Starts at 11:00 am
D. Evans Vs S. Ofner
Followed By
M. Arnaldi Vs (Q) S. Nagal
Followed By
A. Fils Vs A. Mannarino
Followed By
F. Coria (Q) Vs (14) U. Humbert
Court 2
Starts at 11:00 am
A. Popyrin Vs (Q) C. Moutet
Followed By
H. Nys/J. Zielinski Vs (7) W. Koolhof/N. Mektic
Followed By
R. Safiullin Vs (Q) J. Munar
Followed By
J. Sinner/L. Sonego (WC) Vs S. Gille/J. Vliegen
Court 9
Starts at 11:00 am
J. Murray/M. Venus Vs N. Lammons/J. Withrow
Followed By
F. Cerundolo Vs (LL) D. Altmaier
Followed By
A. Tabilo Vs (Q) C. O'Connell
Court 11
Starts at 13:00
L. Glasspool/J. Rojer Vs T. Fritz/H. Rune
Followed By
N. Jarry/L. Musetti Vs (8) M. Gonzalez/A. Molteni
by ti-amie Tue, 09 April, 2024 (Day 4)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 11:00 am
A. de Minaur (11) Vs (WC) S. Wawrinka
Not Before 12:30 pm
M. Kecmanovic Vs (WC) M. Berrettini
Followed By
N. Djokovic (1) Vs R. Safiullin
Followed By
A. Zverev (5) Vs S. Ofner
Court des Princes
Starts at 11:00 am
S. Korda Vs A. Davidovich Fokina
Not Before 12:30 pm
H. Hurkacz (10) Vs J. Draper
Followed By
G. Monfils (WC) Vs J. Thompson
Followed By
A. Fils Vs L. Musetti
Court 2
Starts at 11:00 am
Z. Zhang Vs M. Giron
Followed By
R. Arneodo/S. Weissborn (WC) Vs (PR) U. Humbert/F. Martin
Followed By
N. Jarry Vs T. Etcheverry
Followed By
B. Coric Vs J. Struff
Court 9
Starts at 11:00 am
R. Bautista Agut (Q) Vs (LL) F. Diaz Acosta
Followed By
A. Rinderknech/V. Vacherot (WC) Vs S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori
Followed By
T. Fritz/H. Rune Vs (7) W. Koolhof/N. Mektic
Court 11
Starts at 11:00 am
S. Gonzalez/N. Skupski (5) Vs N. Mahut/E. Roger-Vasselin
Followed By
K. Krawietz/T. Puetz (6) Vs A. Bublik/A. Mannarino
by ashkor87 Wawrinka vs DeMinaur..the fact that it is clay will influence the outcome .W is favorite, I would say- on a faster court, DeM would have a better than even chance...
by ponchi101 On a hard court, Stan could not stay with Deminaur. But on clay, Deminaur's speed works against him. He is so fast and relies so much on instant traction that on clay, he just can't stop sliding.
by ashkor87 Well, we shall see what happens.. my general belief is that foot speed is not a differentiator on clay or any slow surface..everyone can get to the ball, what you do with it when you get to it, matters. Wawrinka can do a lot with the ball.
by Suliso Can he still? You might be thinking of Wawrinka 5 years ago.
by
ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:25 am
Can he still? You might be thinking of Wawrinka 5 years ago.
Maybe you are right...let us see
by ashkor87 If Djokovic wins MC, he would have won every Master's title at least 3 times...mind-boggling ! There are very good players who have yet to win a Master's and even better players who have never won Any title 3 times.
Of course, highly unlikely that Djoko will win this one, but still....
by
ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:25 am
Can he still? You might be thinking of Wawrinka 5 years ago.
Ha! You were right...Wawrinka has lost a lot of his skills by now
by ashkor87 Re Djokovic et al .as they get older, what do they lose first? Having observed McEnroe carefully as he aged, I would say it is ability to return and defend ..Mac could still serve great but he couldn't put any pressure on his opponent's serve..watching to see how Djokovic plays now
by ponchi101 One issue with the footwork on clay is that you have to slide into the ball, but the end of you slide must coincide with the point of contact. That way, you stop there and you can recover.
Hard court speedsters like Deminaur slide into the ball but don't time it perfectly; they slide and the actual end of their stroke is a little bit later. That means they need extra time to recover, and end up doing so with their OUTSIDE leg, not the inside one.
Then, they dart back in the opposite direction and are easily wrongfooted.
by ashkor87 On the other hand, Sharapova said she didn't even try to slide, just picked up her feet and ran...she did ok, two French Open titles...so perhaps sliding is not a must, though it is probably the best way (I don't slide at all, myself but I don't really play on true clay, neither am I a champion!)
by ti-amie Lorenzo Sonego is the LL and will face FAA.
by ti-amie Wed, 10 April, 2024 (Day 5)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 11:00 am
A. Popyrin Vs (6) A. Rublev
Followed By
S. Korda Vs (2) J. Sinner
Not Before 2:00 pm
G. Monfils (WC) Vs (4) D. Medvedev
Followed By
H. Rune (7) Vs (Q) S. Nagal
Court des Princes
Starts at 11:00 am
A. de Minaur (11) Vs T. Griekspoor
Followed By
T. Etcheverry Vs (12) S. Tsitsipas
Followed By
A. Tabilo Vs (8) C. Ruud
Followed By
M. Kecmanovic Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Court 2
Starts at 11:00 am
K. Khachanov (15) Vs F. Cerundolo
Followed By
H. Hurkacz (10) Vs (Q) R. Bautista Agut
Followed By / After suitable rest
K. Krawietz/T. Puetz (6) Vs K. Khachanov/A. Rublev
Court 9
Starts at 11:00 am
L. Sonego (LL) Vs F. Auger-Aliassime
Followed By
Z. Zhang Vs (14) U. Humbert
Followed By
R. Bopanna/M. Ebden (1) Vs M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Court 11
Starts at 11:00 am
N. Lammons/J. Withrow Vs (3) M. Granollers/H. Zeballos
Followed By
S. Gille/J. Vliegen Vs (2) I. Dodig/A. Krajicek
Followed By / After suitable rest
F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry Vs T. Griekspoor/H. Hurkacz
by ashkor87 Korda beating D Fokina so easily was quite stunning..didn't think Korda was that good,on clay. Sinner next...
by ashkor87 what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
by
mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
Could be partially that. Could be that MC is the slowest of all clay masters.
by Suliso Sinner's first match (6-1, 6-2) doesn't indicate that he's far more vulnerable on clay. Of course stronger opponents will come and then we'll see for sure.
by
atlpam ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
Rafael Nadal
by
meganfernandez atlpam wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:27 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
Rafael Nadal
You'd think, right? But Djokovic is 2-2 vs Rafa at MC. He has lost early to other players the last seven times he has played, after winning twice and finaling twice before 2016. Here's who he has lost to at MC in his career, in descending chronological order:
*=semi or final; others are earlier rounds
Musetti
Davidovich Fokina
Evans
Medvedev
Thiem
Goffin
Vesely
Federer* x3
Nadal* x2
Verdasco*
Ferrer
by ashkor87 Amazing stats!!
by
skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
But the previous 3 years he's come into Monte Carlo having not played the sunshine double, and still lost early - 2-3 record in those 3 events.
by
ashkor87 mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:47 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
Could be partially that. Could be that MC is the slowest of all clay masters.
from what I could see, the court is pretty fast, for a clay court.. even the speed ratings, though maybe not current, suggest MC is the fastest of the clay events:
speed ratings:
Monte Carlo 24.9 (IW was 27.4)
Rome 22
Roland Garros 21
Madrid 20.9 (but the altitude makes the ball fly rapidly through the air)
by
ponchi101 atlpam wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:27 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
Rafael Nadal
The casino?
by ti-amie Thu, 11 April, 2024 (Day 6)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 11:00 am
K. Khachanov (15) Vs (4) D. Medvedev
Not Before 12:00 noon / TBF 6/3 2/1
H. Rune (7) Vs (Q) S. Nagal
Followed By
N. Djokovic (1) Vs L. Musetti
Followed By
J. Struff Vs (2) J. Sinner
Followed By
H. Hurkacz (10) Vs (8) C. Ruud
Court des Princes
Starts at 11:00 am
A. de Minaur (11) Vs A. Popyrin
Not Before 12:00 noon / TBF 4/6 1/2
M. Kecmanovic Vs (9) G. Dimitrov
Followed By
A. Zverev (5) Vs (12) S. Tsitsipas
Followed By / After suitable rest
H. Rune Or S. Nagal Vs M. Kecmanovic Or G. Dimitrov
Followed By
(LL) Vs (14) U. Humbert
Court 2
Starts at 12:00
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori Vs (8) M. Gonzalez/A. Molteni
Followed By
N. Mahut/E. Roger-Vasselin Vs (WC) R. Arneodo/S. Weissborn
Followed By / After suitable rest TBF 1/2
F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry Vs (Alt) M. Melo/A. Zverev
Followed By / TBA
R. Ram/J. Salisbury (4) Vs F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry Or M. Melo/A. Zverev
by ti-amie
I think he switches to Russian at the end?
by ti-amie The edited but longer version.
by
mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:56 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:47 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
Could be partially that. Could be that MC is the slowest of all clay masters.
from what I could see, the court is pretty fast, for a clay court.. even the speed ratings, though maybe not current, suggest MC is the fastest of the clay events:
speed ratings:
Monte Carlo 24.9 (IW was 27.4)
Rome 22
Roland Garros 21
Madrid 20.9 (but the altitude makes the ball fly rapidly through the air)
I wasn't checking myself. Relied on what Gill Gross said about the relative speeds.
by ti-amie This doesn't do the kit justice. It is BRIGHT.
by skatingfan Best response:
ClubChaos·8 hr. ago
Alcaraz after seeing all the bee themed clothing. "Welp, I'm out"
by ponchi101 The most cowardly thing a tennis player can do. Abuse a lines person (or ball person).
They know they cannot reply, or even defend themselves.
If the ATP does nothing to Medvedev, it will show their lack of a spine.
by
skatingfan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:19 am
The most cowardly thing a tennis player can do. Abuse a lines person (or ball person).
They know they cannot reply, or even defend themselves.
If the ATP does nothing to Medvedev, it will show their lack of a spine.
Well the ATP definitely lacks a skeletal structure.
by ashkor87 Zverev vs Tsitsipas! One would expect this to be a semifinals, shows how much Tsitsi has fallen in the rankings...looks like he is back though, so should be a good one
by ashkor87 Tsisi doing well!No surprise Medvedev lost.. very impressed with Nagal for takng a set off Rune..
by ti-amie I thought that Nagal would be out in straight sets too. If you get a chance to see a replay you can see he ran out of ideas before he ran out of gas in the third set. Still he got to test himself against a top player.
by ti-amie Fri, 12 April, 2024 (Day 7)
COURT RAINIER III 11:00
[12] S. Tsitsipas (GRE) vs [15] K. Khachanov
Singles - Quarter-final
Not Before 1:00 p.m.
[7] H. Rune (DEN) vs [2] J. Sinner (ITA)
Singles - Quarter-final
Followed by
[1] N. Djokovic (SRB) vs [11] A. de Minaur (AUS)
Singles - Quarter-final
Followed by
[14] U. Humbert (FRA) vs [8] C. Ruud (NOR)
Singles - Quarter-final
COURT DES PRINCES 11:00
[6] K. Krawietz (GER) / T. Puetz (GER) vs S. Gille (BEL) / J. Vliegen (BEL)
Doubles - Quarter-final
Followed by
N. Mahut (FRA) / E. Roger-Vasselin (FRA) vs [3] M. Granollers (ESP) / H. Zeballos (ARG)
Doubles - Quarter-final
Followed by
M. Arevalo (ESA) / M. Pavic (CRO) vs S. Bolelli (ITA) / A. Vavassori (ITA)
Doubles - Quarter-final
Followed by
[Alt] M. Melo (BRA) / A. Zverev (GER) vs T. Fritz (USA) / H. Rune (DEN)
Doubles - Quarter-final
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
One final thought on this.
It is also that there has got to be one tournament at which he has done worse than all others. He cannot win them all evenly. There has got to be one tournament where he has done his best, and one where he has done his worse.
Simple stats.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:35 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
One final thought on this.
It is also that there has got to be one tournament at which he has done worse than all others. He cannot win them all evenly. There has got to be one tournament where he has done his best, and one where he has done his worse.
Simple stats.
true.. by definition.. good point. the strange thing is that it is his 'home' tournament..
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JTContinental ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:27 pm
I thought that Nagal would be out in straight sets too. If you get a chance to see a replay you can see he ran out of ideas before he ran out of gas in the third set. Still he got to test himself against a top player.
I read he is the first Indian player to win a match on clay at a Masters event.
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ashkor87 JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:40 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:27 pm
I thought that Nagal would be out in straight sets too. If you get a chance to see a replay you can see he ran out of ideas before he ran out of gas in the third set. Still he got to test himself against a top player.
I read he is the first Indian player to win a match on clay at a Masters event.
True but that is only because Masters events are a recent definition..Krishnan (both father and son) have won entire tournaments on clay ..
by ti-amie Sat, 13 April, 2024 (Day 8)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 11:00 am
SF
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (3) Vs S. Gille/J. Vliegen
Not Before 1:30 pm
SF
S. Tsitsipas (12) Vs (2) J. Sinner
Not Before 3:30 pm
SF
N. Djokovic (1) Vs (8) C. Ruud
Followed By
SF
M. Arevalo/M. Pavic Vs (Alt) M. Melo/A. Zverev
by Fastbackss The "singles teams" acquitted themselves decently in the doubles draw.
by ti-amie
I knew he was upset about something but I had the sound off...
by ashkor87 Tsitsi vs Sinner next...the AI says Sinner has 74% chance...I would put it at 50....Tsitsi has real creds on clay, Sinner doesn't...
by ashkor87 And Djokovic at less than 70% against Ruud..I would think it should be more than 90...wonder where the data comes from..has Ruud ever beaten Djokovic?
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Suliso ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:29 am
Tsitsi vs Sinner next...the AI says Sinner has 74% chance...I would put it at 50....Tsitsi has real creds on clay, Sinner doesn't...
He doesn't yet, but still 70% sounds about right. Big difference in class and recent form.
by ashkor87 i just checked.. Ruud hasnt even taken a set off Djokovic in 5 matches...
by ashkor87 watching MonteCarlo.. everyone seems to be wearing white except the players! Must be hot?
by ashkor87 Sinner's serve making the difference...
by ashkor87 what happened at the end there? my internet went down at 4 all in the third...
by ashkor87 I mean I know the score but how?
by ponchi101 Agree with Rune. Such a simple sign should not merit a warning. It is not as if he flipped a bird or any other truly obscene gesture.
I guess his reputation is preceding him.
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Suliso I expected Djokovic vs Sinner. Both lost.
by ashkor87 Wow! Ruud bt Djoko..first time in 6 tries..clearly Djoko is not his usual (past) self..that Djokovic never dropped even a set to Ruud
by skatingfan Monte Carlo has become one of the most unpredictable ATP 1000 events, and now a final between two players - Tsitsipas vs Ruud - who really needed a good result to start the clay season. Now will this be resurgence for one or both, or is this a one off. It will be interesting to look back when we get to the end of the French and see whether either player built on this result.
by ashkor87 I fully expect Tsitsi to beat Ruud now but then I fully expected Djokovic to beat Ruud - but this time, it is not old man Time who is influencing the outcome...
by ponchi101 I say Ruud will beat Tsitsipas because he is a modern model of Wilander, and can grind Stefanos on clay.
And about Old Man Time not being the one beating Novak. Sorry; I said it a few years ago. When the big three would start losing, it would be because of time, not because of somebody raising his level. That is the sole thing happening right now.
by ti-amie Sun, 14 April, 2024 (Day 9)
Court Rainier III
Starts at 12:00 noon
F
M. Melo/A. Zverev (Alt) Vs S. Gille/J. Vliegen
Not Before 3:00 pm
F
C. Ruud (8) Vs (12) S. Tsitsipas
by ti-amie Video of above
by skatingfan All ATP events have to switch to electronic line calling for next year.
by ashkor87 I would say 75% Tsitsipas, 25% Ruud - if Sinner couldnt beat Tsitsipas, do we expect Ruud to? I dont.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:43 pm
I say Ruud will beat Tsitsipas because he is a modern model of Wilander, and can grind Stefanos on clay.
And about Old Man Time not being the one beating Novak. Sorry; I said it a few years ago. When the big three would start losing, it would be because of time, not because of somebody raising his level. That is the sole thing happening right now.
I dont think Ruud can beat Tsitsipas.. and on the other point, we are not disagreeing, I may have put it badly but I am saying the same thing - that I dont think age will be a factor here between the two finalists, which it was in the semis.
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:00 pm
I mean I know the score but how?
apparently Sinner was affected by cramps, after which he lost the last 4 games, in a row. He even blamed it on the bad call!
I would not call this a real defeat
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:24 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:00 pm
I mean I know the score but how?
apparently Sinner was affected by cramps, after which he lost the last 4 games, in a row. He even blamed it on the bad call!
I would not call this a real defeat
I was disappointed to hear Sinner say the bad call threw him off to that extent. You have to put that behind you.
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ponchi101 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:44 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:24 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:00 pm
I mean I know the score but how?
apparently Sinner was affected by cramps, after which he lost the last 4 games, in a row. He even blamed it on the bad call!
I would not call this a real defeat
I was disappointed to hear Sinner say the bad call threw him off to that extent. You have to put that behind you.
Data for the mental strength conversation. He seems to have a lot of stamina up there but, if one call can throw you off, that is something you need to work on.
I remember James Blake once saying: I tennis, you need to have a long memory to remember all that has been working well, but a short memory to forget the errors (paraphrasing). That is a tough balance.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:08 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:43 pm
I say Ruud will beat Tsitsipas because he is a modern model of Wilander, and can grind Stefanos on clay.
And about Old Man Time not being the one beating Novak. Sorry; I said it a few years ago. When the big three would start losing, it would be because of time, not because of somebody raising his level. That is the sole thing happening right now.
I dont think Ruud can beat Tsitsipas.. and on the other point, we are not disagreeing, I may have put it badly but I am saying the same thing - that I dont think age will be a factor here between the two finalists, which it was in the semis.
Well, you got it completely right. Not even close (the final).
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:55 am
what accounts for Djokovic's poor performance at MC? (he has won it 'only' twice! - everything else at least three time)..
could it be that he is a champion on all surfaces so always took hard courts seriously too - and had just completed a hard couts swing, usually, before coming to MC - maybe a bit tired, maybe a bit unused to clay? Monte Carlo was always the first clay court event.. this year has been a different path for him, maybe it will make him more successful here! Threepeat?!
Let's flip this one.
What accounts for Tsitsipas great MC record? A three time winner that has not won any other MS1000 (he has made 7 finals). Now, this one is odd. If it were random, you could say that he would win 2. But three in four years? That is a huge spike.
Something about MC really, really pleases him.
by ashkor87 Very true...there is some weak evidence that MC is the fastest of the clay courts...also possible he doesn't do much on hard courts like IW and Miami so he is always fresh..?
by ashkor87 Maybe his mother inspires him! It seems she won this event 40 years ago...don't remember all that...
by Suliso Wasn't MC actually the slowest? Or that goes to Rome?
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ti-amie Suliso wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:21 pm
Wasn't MC actually the slowest? Or that goes to Rome?
I read the Rome plays the most like RG?
by jazzyg In the 1990s and early 2000s, Monte Carlo was the one they said played the most like Roland Garros. Federer never came close to beating Nadal there, just as he never did in Paris, but he was two points away from beating him in Rome in 2006, and that was in a five-set match.
The results in Rome used to sometimes favor fast-court players. Sampras cruised to the title in 1996, beating Becker in the final, and he never really threatened at Roland Garros, losing in straight sets to Kafelnikov the only time he reached the semis.
But conditions certainly could have changed since then.