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Here we go again...
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LIVE: UBS agreed to buy Credit Suisse in a historic, government-brokered deal aimed at containing a crisis of confidence that threatened to spread across global financial markets.

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UBS will get a 9 billion-franc guarantee on Credit Suisse losses, Swiss government says https://t.co/vSVBKJUKO5
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Two ladies (and I mean, my age-old women) yesterday were at the little market I shop at, in front of me. They were talking about "the banks", and how they needed to take their money out because "all the banks will fail".
I thought I should have interrupted and explain a couple of things (yes, mansplain, I guess). I decided not to. But if on Tuesday (tomorrow is a holiday here) all the frigging banks in Colombia go belly up, I will know where it started.
At a supermarket. By two little old ladies.
This :poop: may spread.
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Signature Bank wasn’t some nationwide retail behemoth or slick tech star.

Mostly, it was an old-school New York bank that survived business with cabbies, Trump and "bad landlords" — only to be brought down after pivoting to crypto https://t.co/gKxipZ3vLR
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Why Credit Suisse ‘CoCo’ Bonds Are Causing So Much Anxiety
Analysis by Hannah Benjamin-Cook, Ronan Martin and Paul Cohen | Bloomberg
March 18, 2023 at 2:09 p.m. EDT

Much of the financial world has been watching Credit Suisse Group AG closely as it flirted with disaster, but few have done so with more worry than the holders of its contingent convertible bonds, also known as CoCos. Sometimes described as high-yield investments with a hand grenade attached, CoCos are the lowest rung of bank debt. That means that while they produce juicy returns in good times, they’re designed to be among the first to feel pain if a bank’s troubles get bad enough. Credit Suisse got a $54 billion vote of confidence from the Swiss National Bank, but the value of its CoCos tumbled, leaving holders nursing some serious losses along with serious apprehensions.

1. What is a CoCo bond?

Introduced after the global financial crisis, they’re essentially a cross between a bond and a stock that helps banks bolster capital to meet regulations designed to prevent failure. They’re contingent in the sense that their status can change if a bank’s capital levels fall below a specified level; they’re convertible because in many cases they can be turned into equity — shares of the bank — if the shortfall gets big enough. In other cases CoCos are written down in whole or in part. This buffer of debt and equity is intended to prevent taxpayers from having to shoulder the bill for a bank’s collapse, with CoCos giving banks a bigger capital cushion amid concern in the aftermath of the global financial crisis that many were over-leveraged. For regulators, CoCos are a way for banks to be pulled back from the brink without the cost falling on taxpayers or existing shareholders. CoCos are also known as Additional Tier 1 (AT1) bonds.

2. How many does Credit Suisse have?

The Swiss lender’s holding company has 13 CoCos outstanding worth a combined $17.3 billion, issued in Swiss francs, US dollars and Singapore dollars, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That’s just above 20% of its total debt pile. Its biggest CoCos are denominated in US dollars — it has a $2b perpetual note that can be called in July and a $2.25b note with a first call in December. The securities are typically undated, meaning the bond has no defined maturity but lenders can call for repayment normally after around five years. Investors price CoCos to their expected worth at their first call dates. When they’re not called — in other words, when they’re extended — prices tend to fall. The recent global market selloff has driven corporate funding costs higher, meaning there’s now a higher chance a lender could opt to skip a call because it could prove expensive to replace an existing note with a new one.

3. Should Credit Suisse’s CoCo investors be worried?

Potentially, yes, because CoCos are among the last in line to be paid if a bank fails and all of Credit Suisse’s outstanding CoCos are writedown ones rather than the type that can be converted in to equity. Yields on its CoCos have surged to distressed levels, alongside that of its other bail-in bonds. Credit Suisse Group AG has about 78 billion Swiss francs ($84 billion) of holding company debt that includes both types of notes. If the regulator were to step in to protect depositors, then the CoCos would be written off and bail-in-able senior holding company debt converted to equity. Under the international banking regulations known as Basel rules, big European banks need to meet a minimum requirement for the amount of their own funds and eligible liabilities, more commonly known as MREL, to support an effective resolution in the event of a collapse. If a lender’s capital ratios fall below a predetermined level, then CoCos can be written down. They rank just behind common shares in the capital structure and are intended to absorb losses. Next in line is tier 2 debt, which will only stop paying investors when a bank is already defunct.

4. Have CoCos ever been wiped out?

Yes — there’s been one instance of a lender’s CoCos being wiped out. In 2017, Banco Popular Espanol SA was taken over by Spanish rival Santander SA after it was unable to fill a big capital hole. The event prompted regulators to forcibly write off its CoCos. If regulators push through a takeover of Credit Suisse by UBS Group AG, it’s possible that they would force a writedown of CoCos as part of the deal.

5. Why do Credit Suisse’s CoCos matter?

No one really knows how bad the fallout would be but Spanish lender Banco Popular’s CoCos wipeout shows that it is possible for the worst to happen. As Credit Suisse only has writedown AT1s outstanding, if it did fail then those notes would simply be written off. To be sure, CoCos were dreamed up by regulators after the 2008 financial crisis as a way of helping banks bolster capital ratios by tapping debt investors, so the risks of holding them are well-known. (As were their attractions — as recently as early March subordinated debt was seen as an attractive alternative to longer-duration bonds whose value was sinking. European CoCos were up 2.8%, according to a ICE BofA indexes.)

6. How might regulators get involved?

If a bank runs into serious trouble, regulators can declare a Point of Non-Viability to try to protect depositors, limit a bank’s losses and avoid contagion, that is, having one bank’s troubles pull other banks down. This would happen if regulators believed a lender’s balance sheet had deteriorated to a point of non-viability. Since the financial crisis, lenders have had to make known their Common Equity Tier 1 (CET1) ratios of liquid holdings of cash and stock so that regulators can monitor capital strength. The European Banking Authority has also conducted stress tests using the CET1 ratio — the higher the ratio, the better a lender’s financial strength. It’s unlikely regulators would let a situation carry on long enough for a bank’s CET1 ratio to fall below the required threshold. However, even in the case of the collapsed Banco Popular, its CET1 disclosures failed to reveal the extend of its problems in a timely fashion, suggesting that fast-moving situations could make it difficult for regulators to fully gauge the extent of any serious problems. European regulators’ reach extends to more senior debt as well: In the aftermath of the euro area debt crisis they introduced a so-called bail-in approach to avoid situations where taxpayers have to foot the bill of a bank rescue. If Swiss authorities decide to impose losses onto bondholders as part of an intervention, about 60 billion francs of senior debt issued by Credit Suisse Group will be converted into equity.

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In the end, the banks always get bailed out.
Has got to be the safest industry ever. No matter how bad you screw up, you never get punished.
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Depends... Shareholders will only get 1/3 of the last stock price. One could argue it should be zero, but still lots of people will lose money here.
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I meant the people running the bank. Not shareholders and much less users of the bank. Those get shafted regularly.
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The level of stupidity is astounding. They've turned blue checkmarks from proof that you've been verified after a very thorough process that you are who you say you are to proof that you paid $8/month and literally nothing else but let's still call it verified. The replies are hilarious. It's truly shocking how they can't seem to make a single good change. I'm not sure who is using Twitter more since they took it over, but it's certainly no one that I know. I've never used Twitter less or Instagram and Reddit more.
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So $24b went up in smoke?
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Today he's claiming that some of Twitter's source code was leaked and that the hunt is on for the perpetrator. Better that than the above be the focus of the public.

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