Tennis Random, Random (On Court)

[ti-amie]

[ponchi101]

Yes. Grigor. I know, I know, I know. I have been schooled by better analyzers of the game. But I still wonder how come he has not even made a slam final, with that game.

[ashkor87]

Yes. Grigor. I know, I know, I know. I have been schooled by better analyzers of the game. But I still wonder how come he has not even made a slam final, with that game.

mental strength? heart? competitive spirit? Sharapova?

[ashkor87]

The (almost year-end stats on the wta site) show Andreeva is the best returner of first serves, with a win rate of 42.3%, Coco at 41.8% and Swiatek at 41.2% are right behind her..On second serve returns, Swiatek and Vika lead at 59.6%, Coco is at 59.4%, not far behind.. I always thought very highly of Azarenka as a punisher of weak serves (see her against Ostapenko for instance), and the stats bear this out.

[ashkor87]

on the men's side, Tommy Paul leads on first serve return at 34.3%, with DeMinaur close behind at 34/2%.. Navone is at 34% (never seen him!)
on second serve, DeMinaur leads at 55.8%, Sinner second at 55.1%
interesting that DeMinaur is so good at returns, in addition to being the quickest player.. I wonder if they are related.. Paul is high too.. and he is pretty quick as well..

[ti-amie]

[ti-amie]

OUCH

[ponchi101]

Good for Stan

[ashkor87]

on the men's side, Tommy Paul leads on first serve return at 34.3%, with DeMinaur close behind at 34/2%.. Navone is at 34% (never seen him!)
on second serve, DeMinaur leads at 55.8%, Sinner second at 55.1%
interesting that DeMinaur is so good at returns, in addition to being the quickest player.. I wonder if they are related.. Paul is high too.. and he is pretty quick as well..

One hypothesis is- what we see as quickness really starts with anticipation and seeing the ball early- which is what it takes to return big serves ..so it is not surprising that they are correlated..

[ponchi101]

Agree on Deminaur's speed. he is super fast, in that we can all agree. But his ZERO to TOP SPEED time is minimal. He reacts super quickly.
I think the two fastest guys on the tour are him and Alcaraz. And I will give the nod to Deminaur. On a short, 10 mts dash, he will beat Carlos.
If he only had one solid weapon...

[Owendonovan]

The (almost year-end stats on the wta site) show Andreeva is the best returner of first serves, with a win rate of 42.3%, Coco at 41.8% and Swiatek at 41.2% are right behind her..On second serve returns, Swiatek and Vika lead at 59.6%, Coco is at 59.4%, not far behind.. I always thought very highly of Azarenka as a punisher of weak serves (see her against Ostapenko for instance), and the stats bear this out.

Yes, she learned that from watching Serena consistently demolish her second serves.

[ti-amie]

Thank you Carlos.

[ponchi101]

"Yes, I have a price. Steep, but I have a price. And since this was not illegal..."

[ti-amie]

[ti-amie]

Another failed test?