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[ponchi101]

If it lost both engines, I would bet that was a software thing.
There is footage of the plane taking off and then not being able to gain altitude.

[ashkor87]

I have lived 10 years in Ahmedabad and it is my wife's hometown so we are scanning the passenger list...we do know 2 people who were on the flight ..

[ponchi101]

Sorry to hear that. Hope there will be no more.

[mmmm8]

I have lived 10 years in Ahmedabad and it is my wife's hometown so we are scanning the passenger list...we do know 2 people who were on the flight ..

I'm sorry. Very scary when this stuff hits so close to home.

[ti-amie]

A Boeing 'Dreamliner' bound for London has crashed at Ahmedabad (where I lived) - there were 244 people on board and given that it crashed into a building belonging to the local hospital.. many more. The Paris Air Show where Boeing and Airbus will bid for orders from potential customers, is a few days away. I wonder if there is a connection? The plane seemed to lose both engines in a matter of minutes after takeoff - knowledgeable people said it is a very very rare occurrence..it is said to be the first ever crash of a Dreamliner...

Horrific.

There is video and what you're reporting is correct. The plane stalled and never climbed. There is one survivor who is said to have jumped out of the emergency exit.

More than 240 dead in India’s deadliest plane crash in decades
The Boeing 787 Dreamliner, carrying 242 passengers and crew, went down just after departing from the western city of Ahmedabad en route to London.

Today at 3:57 p.m. EDT

Video at the link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... d-airport/

[Owendonovan]

Israel is not helping Jewish people.

Israeli Strikes Target Iran’s Nuclear Program
Residents of Tehran, the Iranian capital, reported hearing huge explosions and Iranian state television broadcast images of smoke and fire billowing from buildings.

Explosions rocked Tehran early Friday morning, as Israel carried out a major attack on Iran intended to cripple the country’s nuclear program, Israeli officials said. The strikes raised fears the long-simmering conflict between the two countries could escalate into a war involving the most powerful militaries in the Middle East.

Residents of Tehran, the Iranian capital, reported hearing huge explosions, and Iran’s state television and the Tasnim news agency broadcast images of explosions across the city, with smoke and fire billowing from buildings. One Iranian senior official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Iran’s fighter jets had taken off to intercept the Israeli warplanes.

Several Israeli officials described the attacks as a pre-emptive strike intended to keep Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb.

The prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said in a video statement that Israel had attacked Iran’s main nuclear “enrichment facility in Natanz,” as well as “Iran’s leading nuclear scientists.” He accused Iran of advancing its nuclear program, calling it “a clear and present danger to Israel’s very survival.”

The Israeli military said, without providing evidence, that Iran now had enough high-grade material to assemble bombs.

In Washington, a U.S. official said no American airplanes were involved in the strikes.

The Israeli strike followed months of disagreement between President Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel over how to handle Iran. Mr. Netanyahu has long proposed using military force to derail Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump said again that he did not want Israel to launch an attack, predicting that doing so would scuttle the United States’ diplomatic efforts to reach a deal with Iran to halt its progress toward a bomb.

Several months ago, Mr. Trump waved off an Israeli plan to strike at Iran, insisting that he wanted a chance to negotiate a deal with Tehran. Two weeks ago, Mr. Trump said that he had warned Mr. Netanyahu against launching a strike while the United States was negotiating with Iran. Those talks faltered in recent weeks, however, and it was unclear how much effort Mr. Trump had made to prevent this latest attack.

Here is what else to know:

The strike did not come as a surprise. Last year, the Israeli government damaged the Iranian air defense system during its attacks on Iran last year and had planned for months to take advantage of Tehran’s weakness to mount further attacks. President Trump and his most senior aides knew these strikes were likely coming, according to three people briefed on the matter. It’s unclear what — if anything — Trump did to try to deter Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from taking this action.

Anticipating a regional escalation, the United States withdrew diplomats from Iraq on Wednesday and authorized the voluntary departure of families of U.S. soldiers posted elsewhere in the Middle East. A British government agency also warned on Wednesday of an escalation that could pose greater risks to ships in the Persian Gulf.

A U.S. defense official said that air defense systems were being deployed to protect the more than 40,000 American troops scattered at more than a dozen military bases in the region, but declined to say what role the United States was taking in Israel’s defense in the event of Iranian retaliation.

The attack came as the United States was leading efforts to negotiate an agreement with Tehran that would limit Iran’s ability to produce nuclear weapons and a day after the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, censured Iran for not complying with its nuclear nonproliferation obligations.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12 ... us-nuclear

[ponchi101]

Several months ago, Mr. Trump waved off an Israeli plan to strike at Iran, insisting that he wanted a chance to negotiate a deal with Tehran. Two weeks ago, Mr. Trump said that he had warned Mr. Netanyahu against launching a strike while the United States was negotiating with Iran. Those talks faltered in recent weeks, however, and it was unclear how much effort Mr. Trump had made to prevent this latest attack.

That is how little Trump is respected.

[ti-amie]

Anonymous‬
‪@youranoncentral.bsky.social‬
· 3h
Iran’s ability to get past the Iron Dome, David’s Sling & Arrow 2 changes the situation. It appears they overwhelmed Israeli defences overall and landed a few hits; if those strikes were strategic and hit their intended targets, it’s a major problem for Israel and the United States.

The Iron Dome was built for smaller missiles not ballistic missiles, Israel still fared well all things considered with its alternative David’s Sling & Arrow 2. Iran also improved its strategy significantly since last year and has stockpiled enough ballistic missiles to do it again a few more times.

In addition it doesn't help that several military targets are scattered in Tel-Aviv surrounded by civilian infrastructure which acts as a shield for the IDF.

[ti-amie]

[ponchi101]

Sidetrack.
Apparently, two F-35's from the Israeli air force were shot down by Iranian missiles, making it the first time a stealth plane gets shot down in combat.
Which now makes you wonder if all those billions invested have just become obsolete.

[Suliso]

There is no such thing as a completely invincible weapon.

[ponchi101]

But the whole point about stealth is that, in theory, they are invisible to radar.
If Iran can now "see" the F-35's, they are not particularly fast. They would go from "most effective" fighter in history (together with the F-22) to something else.
And it was not only one being shot down. There were two; that is troublesome.

[ti-amie]